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by strictnein 6 days ago
Exactly. Russia has been doing it for decades and it would be foolish to assume China didn't learn from them. Thomas Rid's "Active Measures" covers this in detail, and it's somewhat maddening to read, because it details how much of the civil strife we've experienced that was exacerbated by their actions.

https://www.amazon.com/Active-Measures-History-Disinformatio...
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izacus 6 days ago
Blaming Russia (and China) in most cases is a cheap cop out to try to deflect, hide and minimize the actual grievances of people living in USA.

Yes, there's propaganda and most of it doesn't reach the Americans. It's downright insulting to claim their hurts are something that countries on the other side of the world invented.

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strictnein 6 days ago
> "It's downright insulting to claim their hurts are something that countries on the other side of the world invented."

Not what was being claimed by anyone you're possibly responding to.

Read Active Measures to actually understand what is being discussed here, assuming it's available in your country. The author isn't from the US.

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mindslight 6 days ago
> It's downright insulting to claim their hurts are something that countries on the other side of the world invented.

This is not what I said at all. Try to hold more one idea in your head at once.

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pibaker 6 days ago
How is "Anyone who disagrees with me is a Russian troll" working out for you liberals?
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strictnein 6 days ago
Not what is being claimed here and stating that shows a complete lack of understanding of the term Active Measures, the history of it, and what the book of the same name discusses.

Also, it's amusing you think you know my political leanings or that it would somehow affect the accuracy of what is being discussed. It's strange how people think that they can win arguments by casting the person they're debating into some group they've decided is already wrong.

Anyways, go google the term and then pretend like you knew what it was all along and that you're an expert on Russian influence campaigns of the 20th and 21st centuries. That works well on Twitter and Reddit, maybe it'll work here too?

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mindslight 6 days ago
Which do you think involves more cognitive dissonance to work through - liberals accepting the country has problems they might be out of touch with, or reactionaries accepting they've sold the country down the river?
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