[datakan]

Are the Chinese models actually catching up or are they just distilling the frontiers? If it's all just distilling then they'll always be behind.

[f6v]

There's no reason they can't build their own models from the first principles. They have the hardware, energy, and enough CS scientists.

[chicken-stew]

I do wonder how they source their bulk literary data. Do they have a google books, an archive.org or an anna’s archive for chinese content? What’s the Asian equivalent to Elsevier? Is there (strong) copyright on the corporate level?

[amazingamazing]

Who told you they were distilling? Why might they say this? Think. It’s like complaining that the top student only does well by going to office hours instead of mindlessly reading textbooks.

[literallyroy]

Is this a better analogy?

The top student giving paid lectures about his classes, and another student skipping class and instead studying those lectures to end up with the second highest grade?

Maybe it could be improved with the other student not even going to the same school?

[amazingamazing]

In your example the problem is what exactly?

[shimman]

They don't like competition when they have to actually compete.

[AndrewKemendo]

In capitalist economics they call this the “free rider problem”

[baq]

they're all introducing themselves as claude for one, there are more quantitive and qualitative arguments elsewhere

[dormento]

To be fair, anthropic models, when asked in chinese, also used to introduce themselves as deepseek sometimes. This is a limitation of the technology.

[amazingamazing]

All chinese models are introducing themselves as claude? Why make claims trivially disproven?

[baq]

you're technically correct and missing the point

[rdtsc]

Well that and also benchmaxxing.