[jaggs]

This is a bit strange. Are they saying that Codeberg no longer accepts vibe coded projects at all?

If so, it seems kind of short sighted. Within a very short period of time all code will be AI code. What then?

And as the models improve, along with better code will come better bug fixing etc etc. So the quality of AI code will absolutely surpass that of human code. What then?

Will the repositories demand proof of programming ability? Why, when AI will be handling everything anyway. It would be rather like driving schools mandating that all drivers can strip an engine before they're allowed to drive? Very odd.

[InsideOutSanta]

> So the quality of AI code will absolutely surpass that of human code. What then?

If they change their opinions in the future, they can reevaluate their stance and update their terms.

I love using LLMs for coding, but I think it's absolutely fine if people make different decisions. In fact, I think trying to maintain code repositories that are free of LLM-generated code is extremely valuable.

[mschuster91]

> It would be rather like driving schools mandating that all drivers can strip an engine before they're allowed to drive?

It took decades of manufacturers ramping up reliability to the point that driving schools didn't teach you how to change spark plugs, oil swaps and how to change a tire on the road side. I did my license around 2010 in Germany and changing a tire plus how to check for oil and coolant levels was part of the curriculum.

And similarly, AI has to go through that "ripening" as well before it can be trusted. At the moment, there is no solution even found on how to prevent hallucinations or in-band signalling attacks, much less actually validated at scale.

[Hackbraten]

The terms in question don't even mention quality issues. The argument is about the unclear copyright status of generated code. Also malware risk.

[jaggs]

I don't understand the copyright issue. In many jurisdictions it's already established that AI produced content of any type attaches no copyright. The only copyright which is created comes from human manipulation of said AI content.

[Hackbraten]

Many jurisdictions aren’t built around case law, and judges tend to focus on their own personal interpretation of written legislation instead of focusing on precedents. It can therefore take many more years until legal consensus forms on a given issue.

So I can see why e.g. a German institution would choose act more conservatively than one from countries with a background in common law.

[jaggs]

Yes, of course. It's really interesting to see how there is such a disparity in copyright legislation worldwide. This confusion is likely to continue, as you say, for quite a while. At least until a more standardized recognition of copyright issues relating to AI emerges through global consensus.

[vrganj]

> So the quality of AI code will absolutely surpass that of human code.

This is unfounded speculation, presented as inevitable fact.

[brabel]

Seems pretty inevitable to me. I already don’t trust myself to write code without it being reviewed by AI . It always finds something wrong!

[vrganj]

Sure, but seems again is a subjective qualifier. It's not the same as presenting something as objective fact.

[inigyou]

Nobody here is complaining about using an LLM as a linter.

Some may have concerns about energy use. But that's not Codeberg's problem.

[lelanthran]

> I already don’t trust myself to write code without it being reviewed by AI .

I agree, skills atrophy is a real thing!

(It's a joke, relax... :-))

[inigyou]

Codeberg is for free software.

[jaggs]

Yes, exactly, that's why I like it.

[lproven]

No, you don't. Because just upthread you said:

> Within a very short period of time all code will be AI code.

No it won't. But you outed yourself as a botlicker. So, off you go to somewhere that welcomes botlickers, then.

[jaggs]

Are you OK? All the best.

[lproven]

So when someone points out that you are inconsistent with your own points, you ask after their health and wellbeing? In other words, you are questioning my sanity because I point out you contradicted yourself?

That is toxic AF, you know that?

[jaggs]

I am truly sorry to have upset you. Have a nice day.

[lelanthran]

> If so, it seems kind of short sighted. Within a very short period of time all code will be AI code. What then?

Then you'll use one of the many, many providers who will host your code. Why is it so important to you that this specific provider has to host vibe-coded stuff when you can host it anywhere else? Is "rest of the world" not a big enough place for you?

[jaggs]

Mainly ethical, EU and open source reasons.

[archargelod]

> What then?

Then all digital systems will be compromised and our civilization will collapse. Without internet and computers, we would all be living happy farmer lives.

[jaggs]

Joy.

[lproven]

> our civilization will collapse

Well, we are heading for 2º C global warming by 2040, possibly by 2030. And the IPCC and others already pointed out that 2º means the end of civilisation.

So, it's coming anyway... but it's the nature of human fsck-ups that they come in clusters. That's why someone coined the term "clusterfsck".

So, we have multiple human fsckups coming along all together in the mid-2020s, just as we did in the mid-1930s.

Sketchy off the cuff chronology:

* Cheap COTS x86 hardware gets good enough to run free OSes from academia (good)

* Virtualisation forcibly brought to x86 in defiance of Popek and Goldberg (good)

* Broadband everywhere (good)

Result:

* Mainstream acceptance of FOSS (good)

Result:

* Cheap mass cloud computing (bad)

Side-effect: financial crisis -- the dot-com crash

Time passes. International travel gets cheaper. Internet facilitates global trade, globalisation, and awareness of inequalities. Only now you can afford to get there.

Some recovery, new internet startups.

Result:

* Free mass pesudonymous social media (bad)

Result:

* Weak poor post-communist régimes spread disinformation online in bulk

* Cryptocurrencies: imaginary internet money that destroys the climate, facilitates crime, destabilises financial systems

Result:

* International agreements weakened (NATO, EU, global finance, etc.)

* Another financial crisis

Same time:

* Really large scale cloud computing

* Cheaper travel facilitates a pandemic

* More money for internet and cloud companies

Result

* LLMs -- mechanically-recovered text extruders

* More, better disinformation; further geopolitical instability

Next:

* Mass scale climate collapse renders large countries and continents uninhabitable

* Kills cheap hi-tech factories

* Collapse of bot-slop poisoned tech industry

Result:

War.

[onesandofgrain]

They dont allow private repos, why would they allow vibe-coded stuff. They're a quite opinioninated company

[fs111]

They are a non profit, not a company and you can have private repos. You are spreading misinformation.

[onesandofgrain]

Dude, just read the TOS, jesus: https://docs.codeberg.org/getting-started/faq/#how-about-pri...

It's not misinformation, just read their own page:

If you use more than 100 MB of private storage for the use cases mentioned earlier, please send us a request and we can evaluate it.

If you do not contribute to any free/libre software project at all, Codeberg is unfortunately not the right place for you. However, check out the alternatives, we're sure you'll find a cozy place for your work.

[dzaima]

...in what way whatsoever is this "They dont allow private repos"?

The size limit is........a size limit, something every host should have; there's one for public codeberg repos too.

And while there are restrictions on what private repos are allowed, there are also restrictions on what public repos are allowed too, and it's extremely clear that neither requirement is equivalent to "they don't allow [public / private] repos".

My reading of that section is that, besides the size limit, the rules on private repos are, to an extent, less strict than of public repos; anyone who falls under your second quoted sentence couldn't have any public repos either, by the nature of public repos needing to be FOSS.

[onesandofgrain]

It doesn't matter. You don't shit where you eat. You can, but you shouldn't.

[dzaima]

Where I eat doesn't have a "WC" sign, walls separating it from public areas, and a toilet present. Codebergs private repos have a clear "private" label, infrastructure for making them, acknowledgement and rules for it in ToS, and they are kept private.

Anyway, originally I didn't quite agree with fs111 on straight up calling your post misinformation, but I guess it is indeed your intent to completely ignore facts and just say random garbage.