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by flexagoon 7 days ago
> that censors informations about the illegal Ukraine war crimes

If your concern is specifically about the censorship, then it's not an issue with Kagi, since Yandex is used as one of many sources (and mainly for images afaik)

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They should simply stop using any russian tech at this time.
Should they also stop using American tech because of the vast list of American war crimes?
Well there are millions of European trying to avoid US tech. It's hard. A lot harder than Russian tech.

As for the comparison, I don't think it's fair. The US has not yet invaded its neighbor, Canada, leading to millions of deaths and heavy casualties. Let's not adopt your binary view on this matter.

So it's ok if they invade far-away countries, napalm bomb them leading to millions of casualties, but not ok to invade neighboring countries?

The US is responsible for far more pain and suffering in my nock of the world, so it's funny when Americans act like they have some sort of moral high ground.

Whoa! You don't know where they are from. Given time zones, it's likely they are from Europe
Or very far eastern Canada :D
The US has at least led the longest window of relative peace in the world. Might seem worse or the same to you if you're in one of the flashpoints, but for Europeans they've been reasonable hegemons until recently.

Russia has no such redeeming qualities, as far as I can tell they've always been extractive expansionist assholes like all previous empires. The only reason you might not despise them is that they might not be active in your area, as their ability to project force has always been pathetic. In Eastern Europe they're roughly Satan, and have been for at least a century.

>As for the comparison, I don't think it's fair. The US has not yet invaded its neighbor, Canada, leading to millions of deaths and heavy casualties. Let's not adopt your binary view on this matter.

No, just bombed, invaded, overthrew governments, etc in dozens of countries all around the world...

Yet not annexed anyone so far (seems like US today is another case).
Given that we talk about mostly white European settlers, just the huge majority of native american lands, a good chunk of Mexico, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and several smaller places, areas controlled as "banana republics", Phillipines, and who knows, eventually Greenland, and even talk about Canada, unserious as it likely is.

And with no own ethnic population there to begin with or continuous historical ties to the area.

The US invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Syria, Latin America etc.

The list is too long. So here's a link showing the list of invasions, bombings, and CIA-backed regime-change operations in other countries:

https://www.davemanuel.com/us-military-interventions-invasio...

The estimates are that the US has killed between 20 and 30 million people after WWII.

And these are just direct kills. The figure is much higher if you count indirect kills through means of economic sanctions.

Yes, I know, didn't you read the "Well there are millions of European trying to avoid US tech. It's hard. A lot harder than Russian tech." sentence above ?

You're comparing a war currently being played by Russia, destroying their own country by the way, to past wars.

I'm not saying the US didn't trigger wars and their casualties. It's of course true.

> You're comparing a war currently being played by Russia, destroying their own country by the way, to past wars.

During the past year and a half, the US has bombed Iran, Venezuela, Iraq, Yemen and Mexico. It has provided free bombs to a country that has been bombing Palestine (genocide), Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran.

It has kidnapped the leader of a country and assassinated the leader of another country.

It has pirated all oil shipments to Cuba, causing a severe crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_fuel_blocka...

Avoiding Russian tech, specifically Yandex, is also hard because Yandex is one of only three search indexes that aren't corrupted to all hell with business interests. The other ones being Marginalia and Mojeek. Of those, it's the only one that has image search.
They have only threatened to do that, yes
Indeed, the comparison isnt fair. The US is complicit in a genocide recognised by the UN and many of the US's own allies.
I mean yes, there's an enormous movement to diversify away from american tech currently in the EU, and a massive amount of investment to get away from the entire american tech bubble

I have no idea why you're phrasing this like this when so much money is being put into solving precisely this problem right now

> have no idea why you're phrasing this like this

Because Kagi is in California.

Do we live in Ecotopia ? Did I miss the news ? Hopefully yes.
Wouldn't that be censorship, too?
You’re not allowed to ask that question.
For what reason? It's a source, not THE source
Have you followed the news?
How the US is attempting to flatten Iran and everyone is boycotting US products?

Maybe we are getting wiser to 'country bogeymen bad' stories and realizing that only bad people do bad things.

Why are you trying to divert the topic?

You don't think the genocide in Ukraine has enough scale of a tragedy, with more than 2 million casualties since 2022? Isn't this enough to flag a product?

The Ukrainians posed no threat to anyone, they didn't have a nuclear program, in fact they surrendered the third largest nuclear stockpile and one of the signatures of the memorandum is trying to delete Ukraine.

Why are you trying to dilute this event which is directly related to the topic?

Is it to try to normalize the crime of genocide in Ukraine?

Because your argument suffers the fallacy of proving too much. You're trying to say that all Russian technology must be boycotted because it does a war, but your argument also says American technology must be boycotted, Chinese technology must be boycotted and European technology must be boycotted. No transistors for anyone who subscribes to your argument!

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/G5eMM3Wp3hbCuKKPE/proving-to...

Stop using all Russian tech for the illegal Ukraine invasion, stop using all American tech for using the illegal Iran war, stop using all Chinese tech for the Uyghur genocide, stop using all Arabian tech for their modern-day slavery, stop using all (most?) European tech for their direct support of the Palestinian Genocide...

Very few acceptable countries left, it seems. Canada, maybe?

Canada, those oppressors of the natives?
I don't really see any difference between this and the vast amounts of of Alaska pollock or cod that is imported from Russia.
The difference is information manipulation, like misinformation.

While there should be a complete sanction of Russian products, cod is cod, it's a consumable that has to follow public health standards.

There's no such thing for information, and for many years the Russian state has been trying hard at it.

Yes, because that never happens in America. Only Russia does that. No one else.
Well the last time the US committed genocide of a culture was way before any tech company was founded, while Russia is doing it since 2022 - by their own admission.

If we count of course the illegal annexation of territory, one of the most egregious crimes against sovereignty, it's been doing it since the occupation of Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine in 2014, you get the idea.

What I don't understand is why you're trying to divert the attention to the US, the topic regarding the current crimes against humanity and war crimes of Russia have enough merits to be a topic on its own.

I think you need to research US foreign policy. They are literally trying to do that with Iran. They helped Israel do it to the Palestinians. Not to take away from the Ukraine atrocities but US is just as bad as Russia.
The US is trying to commit genocide of at least two cultures literally right now.