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by Chance-Device 7 days ago
Because that was just an attack on Anthropic by a hostile administration. And it worked, didn’t it? Anthropic had to turn their filters up to absurd levels, OpenAI didn’t. It’s got nothing to do with safety.
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> It’s got nothing to do with safety

Doesn't change the effect. Plenty of good policy is enacted by self-interested politiicans.

We'll see if the admin also restricts access to OpenAI's new models, but if they don't it seems like a policy that is based around perceived fealty to the current admin won't do much to prevent misaligned/or dual function AI from causing problems
Both Anthropic and OpenAI had to delay their rollouts in order to add more safeguards.

With these safeguards in place, supposedly the incident we are discussing would not have taken place.

Gatekeeping the public's access to models is "good policy" now? I suppose you think you'll get a dispensation to use Fable and Mythos?
> Gatekeeping the public's access to models is "good policy" now?

Sorry, I was unclear. I mean that politicians being self serving doesn't tell you whether a policy is good or not.

It almost always does, the few exceptions prove the role. Self-service is the antithesis of accountability to collective trust.
> Self-service is the antithesis of accountability to collective trust

Complex society is a potent counterargument to this hypothesis. Systems that rely on good people to work are fundamentally flawed. Instead, the game has to be about aligning self interets in favour of the collective.

> Complex society is a potent counterargument to this hypothesis.

Complex society is the demonstration of that hypothesis. Misaligned incentives are widespread and corruption and inefficiency are the result.

> Systems that rely on good people to work are fundamentally flawed. Instead, the game has to be about aligning self interets in favour of the collective.

But now you're making a different argument.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" works by random chance. When Evil Corp pays off Candidate A and Pollution Inc pays off Candidate B and then it's Candidate B who gets in and retaliates against Evil Corp for backing the wrong horse, you're getting a good result by chance rather than by design. All it would have taken was for Candidate A to make a better prediction about whether they need to bend the knee to Pollution Inc too in order to win and the same system produces something even worse.

How to actually get their incentives to align is an extremely unsolved problem. The best method we know if is to subject them to competition, e.g. break up concentrated markets and place strong limits on what lawmaking can happen centrally, leaving everything possible to state and local governments while allowing people free choice in where they live, so that no one is forced to stay in the jurisdictions that make the worst choices. But the forces of corruption want the exact opposite of that, and have been gaining ground.

The self-interest for the bureaucrat and representative is supposed to end at their remuneration including their handsome retirement options not shady side hustles and market manipulation at the cost of the collective.

In matters of collective concern fair and just rarely aligns with personal self-interest. Because no matter how good the outcome of any endeavour for the collective given a budget, it will be even better for select few than the entire collective. It is simple economics.

If you look at the outcome of highly corrupt states, you will see proliferation of Private Security, Collapsed education system, failed financial services and markets, not highly efficient systems in service of “self-interest of the administration”.

And who's going to do the aligning, if not good people?

    They constantly try to escape
    From the darkness outside and within
    By dreaming of systems so perfect
    That no one will need to be good
> Systems that rely on good people to work...

...are the only systems that are available for free, democratic societies (like what I want to live in) to function

It likely will.

The exact way you do something is dictated by your motivations and means to do it.

If you lack the correct motivation and have insufficient means you’re less likely to accomplish your goal and more likely to cause unintended side effects.

True, but normally its not possible to just buy them off in public.
yeah tell me about it... Fable today refused to turn on Row Level security on my internal db on in development app becuase of cyber-securty safeguard..had to switch to Codex