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by zzgo 10 days ago
Can you cite a Nazi opinion that you find valid?
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I don't know any "current Nazi" so I can't say, but from history, it's pretty easy.

Brilliant or useful ideas/work can come from morally monstrous or politically toxic people you know. Many people have done things that are very morally wrong (up to murder and so-on) and provide great things to the world, not that it "compensate" in anything, but both can be true at the same time (do bad & good at the same time, or during different life periods).

You need to realize that millions at the time of Nazi regime were "Pro-Nazi", and many were scientists that invented great things, many were writers that wrote lasting pieces, many used their experience to actually to meaningful things later-on, such as avoiding that those terrible things re-occur, how do you explain this?

Let me give you another example: Programs meant for homeless, drug addicts, criminals... are often managed by former criminals, and they turned their lives around and decided to actually contribute to society instead of continuing to do harm (or sometimes do both at the same time).

interesting examples:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascual_Jordan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Stark

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg

also, traditional german blackletter and german handwriting were abolished by the nazis, so if we take this concept of complete rejection of any of their ideas seriously then germans should have gone back to the old forms after '45. attempts were actually made but failed and in hindsight i think going back would only have strengthened german nationalism as it appears to do today. imagine germany using blackletter today and you ask them: why don't you use normal print like everyone else? only to get the response: we can't, nazis tried that first, and therefore it's a bad idea.

I didn't ask for a work, I asked for opinions. Can you name a Nazi opinion, current or historical, that you agree with? Preferably something that would make the average person say, "you know, that Nazi/those Nazis were right about that?" That is what huslage above was talking about, opinions, not works. I don't understand your pivot from opinions to works.
Applying a label to a population will never get you the full perspective of what you are looking for from within that population.
I just want one Nazi opinion that the guy agrees with. One opinion to invalidate the original commenter's statement.
Hermann Göring (apparently a top Nazi war criminal, Gestapo founder, Holocaust architect) held that animals deserve strong legal protection from cruelty and pushed the progressive 1933 Reich Animal Protection Act that banned unnecessary suffering.

Do you agree with his Nazi opinion? But of course, this isn't about "Nazi", we are talking about serious criminals that did a lot of wrong but also doing a lot of good, that's the whole point, is that people can do both (thousand do so, everyday).

Again, before I'm being mistaken for a Nazi, I'm not saying that doing good invalidate doing bad, I'm saying both are true simultaneously, you have many real life examples with people that did great within their community and later been discovered to have done extremely immoral things, I can pull up a massive list with Fable if you want me to but I don't think it's necessary. Previous slave owners that did heavily fight for slave rights later-on is another example but I don't think it's necessary as there is probably hundred of thousand of cases and this is HN, I believe we can extrapolate a minimum.

There you go, that's one Nazi opinion that you agree with that invalidates the grey comment above. You can speak clearly on HN without couching your agreement in paragraphs of defense. This isn't Reddit.

edit: I can't reply to your comment below, so I'll respond to your question here. Knowing the atrocities and the genocide that the Nazis committed behind the cover of the law, and how their antisemitism was at the root of so many of their laws and actions, I would never agree with any of the laws the Nazis passed. I would be concerned that I would be validating, enabling, or endorsing the antisemitism that inspired any particular opinion or law.

For example, why did the Nazis pass a law strengthening protections for animals? Was it for moral and ethical concern of animals, or was it so when they later dehumanized Jews that they had a legal framework protecting the Nazis who would conduct torturous experiments on them? Their motivation for any action is corrupt and inseparable from their antisemitism and genocidal conduct.

Knowing that antisemitism is coming back into style, and seeing your agreement with this infamous Nazi's law, I find myself finding your denial of Naziism suspect. One cannot simply agree with a Nazi without casting suspicion upon oneself. But thank you for your bravery.