[AlexandrB]

> And how is US doing on digitally totalitarian and hostile towards its own people?

Seemingly better than everywhere else in the world, including where I live (Canada). Whataboutism doesn't really work when you use the least bad option as an example.

[FeloniousHam]

And whatever can be said about the US, at least with democracy you get a chance to fire the leadership every four years (or even sooner the closer you to the place you live!).

[mynameisbilly]

Are you familiar with the flock camera situation in the States? The American surveillance state has rapidly been getting worse with the help of this technology.

[hahahaa]

Whataboutism moniker doesn't apply when the context is "avoid Chinese models because China commits crimes against humanity" and context is also "Top sota models for useful work are created by, let's list them all: US and China". If the argument is don't use Chinese models because China is hostile then let's say "The USA.... Objection: Relevance? Overruled".

US is less hostile in the day to day sense, but they could look at your cloud data at any time because say someone in your company protested and exercised their 1A right, and the government didn't like that, so that sort of thing tracks directly to secrecy and privacy guarantees I might want from models.

I personally don't worry for my sloperating but if I ran a large company's AI I might consider it. Esp if in Europe.