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by newsomix9xl 11 days ago
Awareness is not sufficient to overcome a well financed organized business enterprise.

So, I disagree.

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Awareness and giving a shit.

Most people don't care enough about this. They know that their phones are profiling them and delivering ads based on what they do, what they search for, or where they've been. They think it's maybe a little creepy but not really a big deal. Advertising has always been psychologically manipulative, so that part is nothing new. It's just a bit more targeted now.

> They think it's maybe a little creepy but not really a big deal.

In other words, it's the awareness again.

It's the lack of awareness of what else these profiles could be used for. I would posit that many people are aware that advertisers are targeting them, but they don't care or maybe even like it.
Indeed. Vital to the solution yes, but if it was all that was needed then the surveillance systems would have been dismantled and prevented each time enough people became aware. The fact that we are here now is it’s own evidence
I'm the author of the presentation. When I was designing this talk, the end game I had in mind is to have a starting point. I think bringing more awareness to the depth of the problem and some behaviors we can change can start us down the road is good enough to get the ball rolling. I don't think this is going to be solved in one generation.
A multi generational ball rolling exercise is not going to dent a surveillance state or economy.

Your starting point has, afaict, been made many times before by equally sincere people.

What is needed are effective actions to make major advances right now, in your generation.

Other countries have great privacy laws. Why don't we?

Awareness is what is missing now in order to do anything substantial.
> what is missing now

Unfortunately what is missing (in the large part of the population) is the perception of Dignity, and the unawareness of the consciousness of their action (people are accepting and feeding the machine).

It is not just the awareness of the historic context that is missing: it is the awareness that what was built is bad, and that that they are partially to blame in every act of acceptance and omission in stating the "red lines".

A better awareness of human rights would go a long way to solving the conditions which make surveillance capitalism profitable.

Folks only accept these heinous abrogations of their human rights because they don't understand human rights.

"Human rights" is a binary abstraction over nonbinary human needs (needs aren't binary because sometimes you need some amount of water and sometimes you don't need any...but you may be fully hydrated while needing to clean a wound; that's just one example). Being stuck in binary thinking means being stuck in a mental model that can never accurately portray the world, despite rampant evidence the model doesn't work. Being stuck in a system founded on binary thinking is being stuck in a system of stupidity.

We focus on "human rights" because we've been propagandized into myths while never taking full responsibility for our own selves in it.

This is why humanity lives in a mythocracy, as Sun Ra called it. We are currently collectively governed by myths of money, debt, ownership, life, death, rights, wrongs, Earth, patriarchy, egos, liberty, and more. Until humans start collectively learning to craft/choose/embody myths for centering the conditions that sustain life and relating to all things as kin, we'll continue in the current direction.

I care not one iota for the opinion of someone who degrades human rights, which are universal and apply to you - and me - equally, whether you agree or not.
It's interesting to care so little about human needs and rights you won't critically think about either in this context.

Rights matter because they're a concept that people enforce with violence, such as refusing to critically engage in things marginalized people say are issues, like how rights are really just privileges given to us by governments.

No, it's incentive. Always has been. Always will be.

Awareness may (or may not) help with incentive, but by itself it does jack all, as any nerds that have been actively showing their relatives how they are tracked will tell you.

Snowden's revelations did diddlely jack for the common person, nor wikileak's. Knowing smoking is bad never prevented smokers to smoke, knowing exercice is good is not enough to make somebody do it.

You need more: social pressure, conformism, dopamine, lower friction, etc.

Safety belt didn't become common because the average person were aware of the benefits. People screamed about it, complained, refused to use them.

It's the push from insurances to get them into law that turned into car manufacturer making it a feature, cops giving away fines, and social contracts pressuring you into using them that made them ubiquitous.

The myth that awareness is what is missing is one of the reasons so many topic never move because it's talking on the internet about it is easier than doing something about it. So people choose awareness as the virtue signaling easy way out of their guilt.

There is also courage. You know if you are caught angle-grinding a Flock pole, your life ends there.
Your life doesn't end. Your perception of your life along this current trajectory and within this current system could end, but it could start you on another much more powerful path. I don't just mean this in relation to flock camera's but rather direct action.
I'm talking about the most likely outcome which is that the judicial system takes away all of your remaining freedom.
That's if you get caught. YOU won't get caught because you're smarter than that and you know what a plan is.
That's what everyone thinks when they get caught. What are you gonna do about the ubiquitous surveillance? The very same cameras would track you from your house all the way to the one you cut down, even if you changed clothes.