[kbelder]

I use them and I'm fine with them training on our information and knowledge. It's what it's for. No one takes it or steals knowledge; they just copy it.

But because of that, I'm also ok with the Chinese doing it. The worst they might be guilty of is breaking a terms of service.

The only incoherent position is that it's good for one and not the other. You can consistently think it's bad in both cases, or good in both cases.

[azinman2]

First, it’s more than breaking a terms of service. That language sounds very minimizing, as if the scale and effect is tiny. It’s basically espionage out in the open that bootstraps other models years into the competition, which is effectively stealing billions worth of development, compute, and leadership status.

Next, just look at the lawsuit against anthropic by the book authors. What’s the recourse for those same authors in China?

Last, one continues a leadership position for your own country vs handing over leadership to a major competitor who is not allied. This has ripple effects on the economy and ability to recruit/keep talent, which then affects social fabric and political ramifications.