[zeckalpha]

The frontier is a curve. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_front

[IshKebab]

That's not what people are normally referring to when they say "frontier models". It means the most capable models full stop. Not the most capable that you can run locally.

[barnabee]

I’ve always seen the frontier shown as a curve on a plot. Frontier ≠ SOTA

[zarzavat]

Frontier = SOTA.

Pareto frontier ≠ frontier.

[chrisweekly]

true but tfa's title says "frontier open models"

[wmf]

Frontier open models are Kimi K3, GLM 5.2, DeepSeek V4 Pro, etc. They're all too big to fit on most Macs.

[andsoitis]

> tfa's title says "frontier open models"

Does it? I read: "Run AI models locally on your Mac."

[IshKebab]

The submission is "Nativ: Run frontier open models locally on your Mac" and on the page it says "Nativ puts frontier intelligence on your desk."

[andsoitis]

> puts frontier intelligence on your desk

Which of the models it puts on your desk do you consider frontier intelligence?

[IshKebab]

None of them.

[kube-system]

That is one sense, but it is also use to refer to the frontier of capability. Especially in this context.