[01100011]

If if it were true, who cares? Most startups fail. Most are terrible ideas and/or terribly executed. I fail to see why it's a useful metric.

[idiotsecant]

Is your point that startups fail so we should disregard the central thesis that locked down AI will eventually lost to open models?

[parineum]

Not op but that makes perfect sense to me.

"People with mostly bad ideas/execution use Chinese models." Is the point being made.

If you slice it to some measure of success, is the statement "Successful start-ups/companies use Chinese models." still true?

[airstrike]

Hmm if you assume the 80% is uniformly distributed between successful and unsuccessful startups/companies, which by default you should, then yeah, your proposed statement is true.

Data would be needed to argue the 80% skews unsuccessful

[verdverm]

How does this comparison sound if we use cloud provider?

The Ai is writing code, not executing a startup. The code was never the hard part of startups

[parineum]

Deciding to use open models over closed models is a business decision.

[pmontra]

Using the cheaper model is also a business decision. We don't know why they are using the Chinese models: openness or money or both or a third one?

[verdverm]

Third options include

- fine-tuning

- running in your environment

[verdverm]

The point is that for many tasks today, and likely all tasks before long, that the open vs closed will not be a differentiator. There are many open models much better than gemini, yet people still use gemini.

It's like picking AWS vs GCP. Yes it is a business decision, but one that will not likely affect the outcome of the business.

[parineum]

> but one that will not likely affect the outcome of the business.

We don't know that, that's the point of my statement about changing the question.

Do successful companies opt for the US/Closed models? If they do or don't it's just a correlation but it means something. Maybe it's just causal of companies being able to get more funding because the ideas are better so they opt for the more expensive model (assuming it's better).

[throw10920]

I don't see that anywhere in the parent's comment. Where did you get all that?