[nozzlegear]

Even big pickups get better mileage than 12mpg

[swiftcoder]

Some do, some don't. As a concrete example, the F150 [1] pretty reliably doesn't. Big SUVs like the Jeep Wrangler can be pretty far down there too.

[1]: https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/50104.shtml

[jjav]

That is surprisingly bad. My substantially larger Ram 3500 dually gets 15mpg even when loaded with 4000lb of cargo in the bed. Towing a trailer I get about 14mpg, unless there is a substantial headwind (since the trailer is much taller than the truck), that is the only scenario where it drops to near 12mpg.

[etempleton]

The example you gave is the Ford F150 Raptor which is an enthusiast model for off roading that is extra inefficient and I wouldn’t call the Jeep Wrangler a “big SUV” but it is an incredibly fuel inefficient one with terrible aerodynamics.

[nozzlegear]

Oh interesting, I had thought the F150 was one of the better ones but I obviously need to update my priors. Thanks for the link!

[etempleton]

Depends on the model. The example given is the most inefficient model.

[swiftcoder]

To be fair, even the most efficient hybrid f150 only gets up to 23mpg. The raptor is the worst, but none of the models are great.