[squishington]

There are social forces that are shifting the collective mindset to be more sympathetic to anti immigration sentiments. We see it in Australia recently, but the political analysis of this phenomenon is still lagging from my perspective (I am not endorsing these sentiments).

[teravor]

    > sympathetic to anti immigration sentiments

why are you rhetorically laundering illegal immigration or nebulous refugee loopholes through the reputation of legal immigration?

[Tadpole9181]

To be clear, did or did not the party leader say he would like to deport people born in Sweden to legal immigrant parents because they are not "naturally Swedish"?

[g-b-r]

whatever you're referring to, "nebulous refugee loopholes" are a legal way to reside in a country, to be clear.

[g-b-r]

I think we can call most of these social forces Putin (although there are real problems with immigration).

Ok, in Australia they can probably be called Murdoch

[squishington]

The mainstream media plays into this for sure. But I think there is a lot more to it. I think most of us on this platform have cosmopolitan leanings. We're educated and have some job mobility. I've worked overseas because I got an engineering education and did well in it. But wage stagnation, job insecurity, housing costs, low rental vacancy all play into this dynamic. There are a lot of people who don't like seeing their country change in its demographics. That is partly racism, but its also fear of change. I don't like it but I can understand it. When material conditions devolve, there will be a lot of people who blame the "other", even if its misidentifying the cause. I think Australia is lagging behind the right wing populist movement of the UK and US but we are on the same trajectory, and the major party policitians still don't understand how to address it. And most left wing people won't attempt to understand it because they at stuck using rationality and ethics as their rhetoric, and don't understand that emotion and grievance are going to trump that in politics.

[g-b-r]

I largely agree

[squishington]

If you have any disagreements I'm keen to hear them. These are just my own observations so I want inputs from others outside my own echo chamber. If you CBF that's fine too though.

[g-b-r]

It's a complex issue, but in short, I think that some of the concerns about immigration are often legitimate.

Progressive people, being more keen on altruism, tend to think that the good reasons immigrants have to migrate should overshadow the problems that immigration can cause.

And sometimes there's maybe also a view that a strongly multi-ethnic society is something to aspire for, because of the increased understanding of different people and hopefully a reduction of racism that it can lead to.

Progressives tend to think that everyone should be as tolerant as them, and that can lead to only looking into the problems, and finding solutions, up to a degree.

I saw that in the shift from arguing for integration to arguing for tolerance and a multi-cultural society, for example, where inadeguate integration efforts faiiled.

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On the other hand, right wing/conservative parties often enact policies that compound the immigration problems, rather than improving them.

In part that's due to a preference for securitarian policies, rather than looking for the root causes.

And in part that's because immigration problems most often lead to increased votes for them, so it's in their interest to not actually solve them.

All this, in the end, can create a space for parties standing for drastic solutions such as mass deportations; however immoral, dangerous for everyone and hard to realize they may be.

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The way forward, in my opinion, should be for progressive parties to stop dismissing the problems that immigration can lead to, and to do their utmost to improve them all, rather than pretending for everyone to be as tolerant as them.

The actual middle/long term solution would probably be ensuring that the new potential immigrants are willing to integrate to a sufficient degree, and most of all to look into what pushes them to migrate in the first place, and work for improving the causes of that.

The latter can seem utopic, but it's better than the alternatives, in my opinion.

Ok, that wasn't so brief xD