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by fitsumbelay 9 days ago
... possibly due to the lying bumblefucks who start them. George W Bush was a lying bumblefuck who talked himself into being a war criminal who can't travel to certain countries. Trump is the kind of lying bumblefuck who lets a dependent bumblefuck that Netanyahu is to talk him into the dumbest and most embarrassing military engagement in US history of my lifetime, possibly only next to Grenada

npr, btw, is in some sort of decline in news source legitimacy having to resort to these simple-minded click bait headlines ...
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wasfgwp 9 days ago
Bush won the conventional war in Iraq and generally the US military was quite good at that part (same in Afghanistan or the first Gulf War). They had no clue what to do after the war was won and made a complete mess of it.

Trump hasn’t got the slightest idea how to even get as far as Bush did..

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dh2022 9 days ago
Hmm, US did not destroy the Taliban in Afghanistan. So I do not think US won much in Afghanistan (for ex. bin Laden was killed in Pakistani)
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wasfgwp 9 days ago
They occupied the country and mostly/almost did accomplish that. 2002 to ~2005 were reasonably clam.

Then their failures to bulld a stable government brought the Taliban back.

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dh2022 9 days ago
US did not occupy the country- they occupied the big cities and a built a huge airbase. Countryside was in Taliban hands for the most part.

US never closed the border with Pakistani - and the talibans retreated in Paki when under attack and then went back in Afghanistan when things calmed down.

In Afghanistan US won as much as it won in Vietnam.

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jimnotgym 9 days ago
So you are saying the military is competent, but the civil administration is not? You might have his the nail on the head
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wasfgwp 9 days ago
Not really. Or rather not on the same level. Both the government and the military were reasonably competent when it came to winning the conventional wars back then. Both failed at handling the insurgency phase (the political leadership to a larger extent).

Now? Who knows, I guess the military is doing reasonably fine given the constraints they operate under but I doubt competent is the right word.

What is clear is that Bush (in combination with his administration) was pretty much Napoleon compared to Trump, Hegseth & co.

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