[lostlogin]

I really wish there was a way to support their amazing product without a cent going the way of the Russian government. I get that there is a stance being taken, and it's an attempt to be apolitical, but that's in itself a political choice.

[BloondAndDoom]

Assuming you are using American products, with the same logic how do you support that government? I’m honestly to curious, do you find that American government historians internal external politics is that much better than Russia? What’s going on with Israel and a massive track record of human rights violations including government funded torture oriented, democracy side stepping institutions like Guantanamo bay, and many more current and previous heinous acts.

[lostlogin]

> Assuming you are using American products

Search is now Uruky, and I’ll see how that goes. https://uruky.com/

In terms of other products, I have more American ones than is ideal.

[BrunoBernardino]

Thank you for your support! Uruky co-founder, here. Let me know if you run into any trouble, confusion, or just have any suggestions (email or a reply here is fine), so we can help!

[matkoniecz]

1) Yes, Russia is in fact worse than USA. This does not change that USA did and is doing evil things.

2) At least in my case Russia is directly targeting my country, while USA does not (in general, far away empires are less dangerous than nearby ones)

3) In addition Russia is more resource constrained so getting the same amount of funds benefits them more

4) USA is also doing plenty of non-evil things while for Russia this activity are much much smaller part of their spending

[Altern4tiveAcc]

> 1) Yes, Russia is in fact worse than USA.

That really depends on where you live in the world. South Americans, Palestinians and Iranians would probably disagree with you.

[catlikesshrimp]

"South Americans" Nobody in my country considers going to Russia. They did in the 80's, but not since the 90's. People still go to cuba to study, but many abandon what they consider intolerable conditions, and all those I know didn't have any desire to stay after their plans.

If you meant something else, excluding Venezuela, please tell me.

[matkoniecz]

Yes, in Russia you have less freedom, more corruption, lower quality of life, mor thuggery etc and so on.

For who is greater enemy see my point (2) and I understand that for someone directly familiar with United Fruit Company type of adventures USA may be greater enemy despite being overall less evil.

[dewey]

I feel it’s more a failure of regulation, it’s almost impossible to become a new search engine these days without using an existing index. There’s not many choices for that, Google won’t give you the data, Bing won’t so there’s basically only Yandex left.

I’m sure if there was an open, comparable index they would happily just use that but if you want to change the landscape and slowly build up your own index you’ll have to make some pragmatic choices that might not be so black and white.

[mghackerlady]

I mean, at this point Kagi could probably start their own, and there are plenty of smaller indexes (Mojeek, Yep, and Marginalia come to mind)

[curiouscats]

Or create a new partnership with various like minded organizations and create a new index that each can use in their own way (perhaps those you mention plus DuckDuckGo and others that my brain isn't bringing to mind right now [maybe Wikipedia, EFF, internet archive, maybe Nebius would help...]).

I know this wouldn't be easy but maybe such an arrangement would be possible where there is some shared index and then the partners can each use it, extend it... in their own way.

[mghackerlady]

I could see a collaborative open source web index run by the WMF, Internet Archive, EFF, GNU, DuckDuckGo, and Kagi being too big to simply ignore like a previous commenter suggested might happen to a new index. I could also see Qwant being interested

[dewey]

Bigger search engines have a lot of custom integrations that are not just crawling the clear web. You have a lot of benefits from collecting data for a longer time in this market.

I've often switched between Google and DDG but always came back to Google as in direct comparisons I was always not finding the right results in DDG. Kagi is the first time that I have not switched back a single time as nothing changed negatively in the quality and quantity of the results.

It's a noble goal to have your own search index, but it's duplicating a lot of work that others with much more resources already do well.

[zargon]

In practice it is no longer actually possible to create a new search index with anywhere near the breadth of Google, regardless of the amount of resources you have available. Google (and to a lesser extant the couple of other historic engines) are entrenched enough to be allowed access by webmasters in robots.txt. And in the new era of mass abusive scraping by LLM companies, there's no longer the option to ignore robots.txt and scrape anyway, as sites do anything and everything they can to block any and all scrapers besides those already firmly entrenched.

[Razengan]

I wish there was a way to use American products without a cent going to fund American wars, police militarization or global spying.

[omnimus]

My thoughts exactly. And unfortunazely to be able even to access Kagi you gonna need to give US gov money in multiple places.

[TiredOfLife]

Putting what russia does in same sentence as what america does, shows that you are either intentionally trolling or severely handicaped.

[flumes_whims_]

I'm sure Iraqis, Libyans, Iranians, Palestinians, etc. agree that putting Russia in the same sentence as America is stupid.

[Razengan]

Don't forget Japan, Vietnam, Korea, Laos and Cambodia

[prmph]

Why Japan? What do they have to complain about?

[addandsubtract]

Someone needs a history lesson...

[Razengan]

Guy...

[Razengan]

Maybe I'm severely trolling the intentionally handicapped.

[NordStreamYacht]

Yugoslavia.