[none2585]

You cum into a paper towel again and throw it away - is that murder?

[none2585]

I agree at some point it's a "person" but it's a long way off from insemination.

Generally brain waves start showing up around mid-to-late second trimester so I think one could reasonably argue somewhere in there.

[bit-anarchist]

Given what OP said, probably not:

> There is no clear discrete point, other than insemination where it is not murder vs murder.

Will you actually address this point?