[mmooss]

The event we need is for you and others to start working, instead of standing on the sidelines telling other people it's impossible.

Humanity has overcome many things by working together. Much of humanity is already working together to overcome climate change. In fact, if the Republican Party in the US would get to work on it, that may be a sufficient fraction of humanity. And if the US led on it, more would participate.

[GuB-42]

It is easy to start working on it when you are rich, but people in the world aren't, and they aren't because we are and we exploit them. And these people don't care about how terrible the next centuries are going to be because they need to survive right now, so climate change is not a priority.

It is kind of depressing, really. We can't even agree on not killing each other. I mean, no one wants to get killed right, and the solution to this is the simplest there is, we just need to collectively decide not to kill. And if we did that, just consider how much resources it would free up: military, security, no need to rebuild what war has destroyed if there is no war.

So if we can't simply decide not to kill each other even though it would be a net, immediate benefit, how deciding to care for climate, which will involve at least a global reduction in comfort for many years before things get better is going to work?

[mmooss]

Wow, people are really advocates of helplessness. Warfare is a great example:

It has gone on for all of history, yet people working together have mostly eliminated it - exactly what you say. It has gone on for all of history, and most of what humans have acheived by working together have been done contemporaneously with it.

[esseph]

"Modern Life May Be Pushing Human Minds Beyond Their Limits, Reflecting an Evolutionary Mismatch"

https://www.sciencealert.com/modern-life-may-be-pushing-huma...

[watwut]

This has it other way round. The ones who will be hit by climate change the worst are the poor. It wont be "the next century" either. They also can not do all that much about it.

The ones who actively prevent collective measures to stop the climate change are the richest of the rich. And they also spend pretty significant money on lies and propaganda designed to prevent collective work against climate change.

[skybrian]

Vague asks like this are empty. Do you have anything specific that you want to advocate for? Favorite charities?

[mmooss]

Think for yourself. I'm not making a pitch for funding. Instead of complaining and talking about tangential stuff, get to work.

[xyzsparetimexyz]

Okay. Who's gonna pay me to work on it? I'm looking for a new job. Can start tomorrow

[ColdStream]

This is a key part of the game theory behind this predicament.

Can we pay our way out of it? If we could it would be to direct our actions towards things like nature restoration rather than anything that could directly increase consumption. In fact it would actively decrease production and reduce consumption by sucking direct resources out of the market economy. Yes, you are being paid to fix some problems but also pulling our of manufacturing thus increasing the prices of almost everything you purchase.

But that is a part of the idea behind planned degrowth. Use the system to actively scale down consumption before ecological and resource constraint blow back forces it. Better to be proactive than reactive.

[harshreality]

Can't happen. Western (and most other developed/developing) economies are addicted to number-never-go-down.

[ColdStream]

Pretty much. I have been involved with the much more true to heart environmentalist for decades now and they are basically of the opinion that the most viable path is to preemptively prepare for when various systems start to break.

This is why things like the Dark Mountain project came about - https://dark-mountain.net/about/

This idea is to be like serotinous plants. Seeds and cones that can only open up when the fires come through to melt the resin that holds them shut. In a way this is what the Solar punk movement is all about. Depict, advocate and produce futures that will out last the 'line goes up' society.

[potsandpans]

perhaps you could outline the direct action you are taking.

[ColdStream]

I do agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't' just sit back and go "Well its done now!". It is better to try than to do nothing at all.

But when it comes to climate action it really seems like scale and latency has really hidden the full scale of the issue.

It is so big that few if any people really comprehend the hyper object and the systemic nature of it. It is so slow to show up direct results that most can ignore it short term.

I have said that the right lives in denial and the left lives in delusion. The right say it isn't at thing or it isn't a big issue. The left tend to seek technical solutions that aren't all that. Near me is a mural of Greta Thunberg that was put up in 2020, it calls for "Net zero by 2025." that was never going to happen on a time scale like that.

As for the Republicans changing the tastes of the world, unfortunately the one thing that Trump has done very well the last decade is burn through any sense of trust of the nation. Regardless of everything else, trust is the one resource you do not want to run out of, it is the foundation on which everything else sits.