[weakfish]

Yeah, this is what I’m trying to get at.

There’s two arguments in competition:

1. LLMs make it cheap (in the time sense) and easy to build

2. Rewrites and/or writing something in a native app or program is harder and more time consuming

I think I am willing to take it as an axiom that a native version of CC would be superior from a user perspective. Performance, etc.

I just don’t see how one can say that building things reliably good is easy now when the company providing these tools can’t even do it well.

[coldtea]

>2. Rewrites and/or writing something in a native app or program is harder and more time consuming

Why would it be harder and/or more time consuming rather than the opposite? It's like having full specs and a full test-suite to match against the result you want.

[munksbeer]

> I just don’t see how one can say that building things reliably good is easy now when the company providing these tools can’t even do it well.

What do you mean? Claude cli is wildly successful. Why do they need to re-write?

[pdimitar]

> I just don’t see how one can say that building things reliably good is easy now when the company providing these tools can’t even do it well.

I don't know how you can't see it, to me it's blindingly obvious: risk aversion.

Let's say the risk for a problem is 1%; hell, let's put it at 0.1% even. For a company at this scale even that amount of risk is too much.

I trust Opus/Fable to drive prod database migrations and backfills. I don't trust it with our financial ledger. I trust it with part of the infra. I don't trust it with backups. Etc.

You and others are arguing against a premise that nobody defended, namely "Claude can rewrite everything, for free and with zero mistakes". A bit of a straw man, don't you think?

And that's not even touching the fact that writing a GUI app is difficult for LLMs due to difficulties in it getting feedback and a "feel" whether it delivered what was asked (though I know people are working on it).

> I think I am willing to take it as an axiom that a native version of CC would be superior from a user perspective. Performance, etc.

How does that follow, and from where? I never once noticed any visual jank/lag in the TUI; not in iTerm2, not in Kitty, not in Alacritty, not in WezTerm and not in Ghostty. And even if we exclude those two, me and many other devs are quite fine with a TUI and don't miss a GUI program for everyday coding.

Not saying that our preference is superior -- but it'd be strange to blatantly claim: "for dev purposes, GUI > TUI/CLI".

[weakfish]

Going to give a short reply to one point because I’m about to go to sleep (I try to make an effort to be honest as to why I’m not fully engaging with the entire comment) but re: strawman, I don’t think so. When Dario Amodei is saying SWEs will be replaced soon [0], I think it follows that then he believes Claude can write a native app as well as a native app dev.

0 - https://finance.yahoo.com/news/anthropic-ceo-predicts-ai-mod...

[pdimitar]

CEOs love to promise the sky and the stars. Color me unimpressed.

Now whether they can do it -- that's a separate, and a much more interesting, discussion.

[weakfish]

Oh yeah, I mean I certainly think it’s a false premise. But it is a premise someone is giving.