[59nadir]

You, by your own admission, haven't even written a single line of Zig despite having ~31 Zig projects on GitHub. I don't think your knowledge of the language is to be trusted in almost any capacity. This might seem harsh but I don't trust someone who's experience with a language amounts to slopping out 30+ repositories and not even engaging with the language normally.

[lstodd]

By my own admission I wrote ~100K loc in zig-head. Having a background in linux kernel development of all things I can tell you that Zig is so much better than C or Rust, that I think linux kernel rush to rust is misguided.

[59nadir]

I haven't even stated whether I agree with the opinion that Zig is worth it, in fact I do think Zig is worth it for a large set of problems and I wrote Zig for years, I am stating simply that I would never trust anyone who's self-admitting that they don't even write the language they're arguing for when it comes to opinions on whether it's good or not. It's not really about whether Zig is good, it's about someone who doesn't even write the language and doesn't even know it, not having a valuable opinion on it.

[pmarreck]

Same. In fact I think going to Zig, possibly on the way to Rust, would have been a far more pragmatic route.

But I guess my opinion is null and void since I "slop-code"

[pmarreck]

I guess that since you haven't built the car you're driving, your opinions on it are null and void as well.

Anyone who actually believes that I can't have ANY sound opinion on Zig after 31 projects building with it should get their head examined for brain tumors. I mean, it's not like I have to deal with all the positive and negative effects of things written in it. It's not like I've had to solve problems in it that emerged when the LLM didn't do things correctly (and yes, I can tell when this is so, and not just when things are buggy). And it's not like I don't know (by heart, not by LLM) at least 15 other languages that I can draw on (C, for example, for which I not only got an A in a class at Cornell once, but was in fact the person with the highest score in a class of ~150 people... A perfect score, in fact) to form valid opinions in combination with how I see Zig working.

So please take your baseless skepticism and baseless assumptions and shove them up your ass, dude. I have work to do, and I'm far more capable of it now than I was, thanks to the LLM boost.

[59nadir]

Honestly, I wasn't harsh enough... Though I don't think I could write a better post showing how useless your opinion on things actually is than the one you wrote yourself.

And no, I don't think you can have any valuable opinions on Zig since you don't write it. In your analogy you're not even driving the car, but it doesn't surprise me that you can't figure that out.

[pmarreck]

I am absolutely plotting the route and intervening when the car tries to do something stupid. That ends up working out a lot better than actually driving the car because you can focus on the goals, the car often knows better routes that you failed to consider, you can measure the tradeoffs and you can determine the minimum-viable-path to get there, so just fuck right the hell off with this stupid-ass baseless skepticism

the ones learning how to run the looms safely and productively are going to continue to succeed and scale upwards and outwards while you get paid pennies to use knitting needles on bespoke hand-coded solutions. And at this point, I don't give a damn anymore because you lot deserve your upcoming rot 1000%, especially with a stubborn pissant plebe fucking answer like that. Holy shit. You're literally going to stubborn yourself into poverty just to make a point. Enjoy.