[Scroll_Swe]

>Didn't they bring hundreds of millions out of poverty, and built amazing cities and facilities in the past 30 years?

So did the western world.

Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :)

I am so tired of the praise of China online while condemning the west. Worst part is you probably live in the west.

*Nono, dont reply, just downvote instead :)

[kanbara]

China is not Iron Curtain countries dominated by the USSR. to compare China to Poland has no merit.

China has built high speed rail, a quality universal health care system, and huge tech and mfg sectors. It most certainly is orders of magnitude above East Germany, and not even the same type of socialism.

There are good things about the West and good things about China, it’s not as simple as “our side good”.

[Scroll_Swe]

China is still a dictatorship who massacred its own people despite building high speed rail...

They only got it good when the USA opened relations in the 80s something they never did with Soviet.

China does not have universal health care.

China helps Russia invade Ukraine. That is simple. Unless you like that too?

Also, where do people want to live? North EU. Yet when we keep our lands people call us racist.

[OtomotO]

And the US calls itself a democracy and kills innocent people abroad.

I don't see any merit in these simplistic world views.

The world isn't Lord of the Rings, it's more A Song Of Ice And Fire.

[spunker540]

Can't a democracy vote and agree to kill innocent people abroad? Not sure those things are discordant.

[lmz]

It can. Which probably justifies 9/11 if you see it that way.

[holoduke]

Are you serious? Who is killing thousands abroad and playing corrupt mobster mister policeman in the entire world? Or course China is supporting Russia. It's geopolitics. The west needs enlargement of their influence in Ukraine. Russia doesn't like this. A failing Russia means China is next. Hard to understand? And China does have universal affordable healthcare. Maybe, just maybe you should visit one of the large cities in China. You will be surprised how far ahead they are on so many areas. Infrastructure, cultural, government structures, schools, hospitals and more.

[Scroll_Swe]

>The west needs enlargement of their influence in Ukraine

Okay so you have swallowed the Russia and China propaganda fully. Yes, China has better living conditions now than 20 years ago.

Ukraine is its own country since 1991 and on their own want to move closer to the west, NATO and EU.

Russia invaded Ukraine as Putin is the one who want "enlargement of their influence"

If you think above, how can you blame me in the west for opposing Russia and China? I live in Sweden, we have Kaliningrad with nukes right across us. We had Soviet submarines in our waters in the 80s.

A fallen Ukraine means Russia and Putin and by extension China will invade the Baltics or Poland next. Hard to understand?

Where do you live?

[holoduke]

Ukraine is not an independent country. The entire culture is practically similar to the Russian one. Yes I have lived in Ukraine (Melitopol) for many years. This whole conflict is 100% caused by the west that tries to put a wig between the two nations. By bribing and buying up assets in Ukraine. Starting from around 2012 when western institutions installing puppets in various places. Government and commercial. Don't tell me this is somekind of crap conspiracy. We all know that the west performed these actions many times before. The west is not clean in this war. 100% responsible for this war, killings and destruction .

[Scroll_Swe]

>Ukraine is not an independent country

They are.

You are spouting Russian propaganda 100% how it's all the wests fault. Putin and Russia is the one 100% responsible. Cannot belive I read this on Hn but sadly more and more anti western, pro russia and pro palestine crap is here.

[jrowen]

Did that comment indicate any condemnation of the west?

What I'm tired of is zero-sum jingoistic nationalism of any kind. Can we just be happy for all of the world to prosper?

edit: I didn't downvote you but it's probably the uncalled-for cynicism.

[faitswulff]

Nationalism is a cancer

[coldtea]

>Ask Poland, the Baltics and East Germany if they want communism back. I'll wait. :)

We could, but don't expect the results to be as clear cut as you think :)

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/homesick-for-a-...

https://www.economist.com/europe/2017/10/12/many-eastern-eur...

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2009/11/02/end-of-communi...

https://brnodaily.com/2023/11/20/news/poll-17-of-czechs-say-...

https://english.radio.cz/poll-less-25-feel-better-now-under-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_nostalgia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie

And of course 2026 China is the very opposite of some failing economy, like Eastern Bloc countries have been in 1989.

[oneshtein]

Many eastern europeans who had good life in soviet block have nostalgia, however, Ukraine fights with all it power to prevent returning back to soviet block, because majority have very unpleasant memories of soviet times and dozens of millions murdered by soviets.

[orthoxerox]

Ukrainians were the Soviets. It's like Scotland complaining about British colonial policy.

[oneshtein]

Ukraine broke out of Russian Empire and then conquered back by Red army, then conquered Republics of Ukraine and Belarus together with Russian Federation formed USSR.

So, yes, Ukrainian communists were with those soviets, who murdered other Ukrainians (and other enslaved nations), and then their siblings have nostalgia about «good times».

[graemep]

That is not a good analogy. Scotland voluntarily formed a union with the rest of the UK and played a disproportionate role in colonialism. Ireland would be a better one.

The weakness in the GP's argument is that Russia is not the Soviet Union, nor is it communist.