[tptacek]

"Dumping" is a term of art in international trade.

It's the thing that happens when a foreign exporter sells goods in your country below their production cost (or far below what they're charging domestic customers). It's done to fuck up the foreign markets for those goods, or, in China's case, as a relief valve for malinvestment.

China drastically overfunds EV production. There's a whole weird story where provinces apparently competed to get slices of the EV production business, which resulted in a large number of competing firms, producing far more vehicles than the Chinese domestic market could consume.

This isn't just a US thing. Europe tariffs the heck out of these cars.

[awesome_dude]

Yes, I am well aware of the definition of dumping - that fails to explain why people cannot buy them.

If they're being dumped there is an oversupply, and people are spoilt for choice. The market is awash with the dumped product.

Not being able to buy them is the exact reverse of that.

[tptacek]

The entire point of anti-dumping actions is that left unregulated, people will buy these unsubsidized cars.

[awesome_dude]

Right - your comment was very poorly articulated - and loaded with supposition.

Your claim is that the reason people cannot buy the vehicles ISN'T because they are being dumped BUT because the government SAYS they are being dumped and has therefore actively prevented them from being sold.

The supposition is that it's an accurate claim by the governments - there are reports that the Chinese manufacturers are being restricted by their government and that there has been a period of over production, but how much of that is true and how much is propaganda is very difficult to actually ascertain.

[tptacek]

I don't know what you're trying to say here. I don't think there's a serious dispute about whether China is dumping EVs, and the US isn't the only place claiming that.

[watwut]

The whole SV is based on dumping. And was for decades.

[tptacek]

I don't know how this is supposed to respond to what I just wrote. If an EU country restricted contracts or usage with Google or OpenAI, I wouldn't call them out for doing so. All I'm saying is that it's especially clear why Chinese EVs are impeded from selling in the US.

[indemnity]

Interesting that they are “dumping” them in Australia and other countries at prices that are competitive but far above what they cost in China.

Below cost of production my ass.

The only Western car company even competing with them is Tesla, who people love to hate for ideological reasons.

Calling what Chinese companies are doing “dumping” is pure cope for the utter failures of Western companies.

Look at my post history, I’m not pro-China at all, but I am a realist and can see the evidence with my own eyes since we can actually get the vehicles here.

I give it 5 years for Western and Japanese companies to be decimated in this market. Can’t say they don’t deserve it.