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by andriy_koval 14 days ago
they didn't pay yet, because court challenged settlement as inadequate.

> I doubt the Chinese models operate under similar licensing agreements.

US corps likely pay licenses when afraid to be sued, or have troubles getting that data, otherwise they just take data, which was demonstrated many times. The same apply to Chinese corps, alibaba totally can be sued in US.
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tristanj 14 days ago
China is infamous for weakly enforcing copyright law. Even when it is completely obvious that Chinese labs are training models on pirated data, US copyright holders face a virtually impossible task of proving it in court. Those lawsuits won't go anywhere.
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andriy_koval 14 days ago
There are tons of lawsuites which resulted in banning Chinese companies from doing business in US, those lawsuits totally have consequences.
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no-name-here 13 days ago
What are the most high-profile examples of the "tons" of lawsuits resulting in Chinese companies being banned from doing business in the U.S.? Isn’t it usually more action by the government - executive orders, etc?
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andriy_koval 13 days ago
Here is example: https://www.scmp.com/tech/tech-trends/article/3258239/chines...

I believe mechanics is following: US corp sues Chinese, asks for preliminary injunction to stop selling product for example if there is strong evidence some IP for example was stolen etc. Then they litigate, and settle somehow.

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no-name-here 13 days ago
That 2024 article says "US sanctions" in the first sentence, but it's paywalled, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hytera#United_States first mentions a 2019 US law that first partially banned them, with the US government subsequently expanding it to a general US ban. After the initial ban it appears Hytera was involved in a suit with Motorola and got a worldwide(!?) ban as a result of it in 2024, but the ban was lifted on appeal after 2 weeks (just after the SCMP article). So it appears Hytera was first banned by US law, then got a 2-week worldwide ban from a US suit. (I'm just relying on the linked sources and have no personal knowledge of all of this.)
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andriy_koval 13 days ago
Sure, there is litigation, criminal case, appeals, fines ($500M: https://www.motorolasolutions.com/newsroom/press-releases/hy...). The point is if violation is clear, US corps have a chance to go after Chinese corps.
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Planktonne 13 days ago
The US is currently infamous for weakly enforcing copyright law when it comes to AI companies.
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