[dmarcos]

I don’t know. thinking machines perhaps?

A lot of things have to come together: talent, capital that is not looking to maximize returns, ambition to compete in the marketplace. At peak Mozilla it was clear to everyone that we needed an undeniably successful product to be able to influence the market. Advocacy alone is not very effective.

[rvba]

They spend their money from Google on a lot of things but not theit core product (Firefox), so it juat kept losing market share.

They killed extensions. They introduced signed extensions - and then forgot to renew the certificate. Mozilla employees build what they want, not ehat users want etc.

[pdimitar]

Definitely. Sadly "capital that is not looking to maximize returns" is a very tall order in the last 20+ years.

[kamranjon]

I also think Allen AI with their Olmo models are doing great stuff by releasing full training data and pipelines and checkpoints which I’m not sure any other US company is really coming close to transparency-wise.