[weakfish]

At risk of greatly oversimplifying American politics, it's truly impressive how good Democrats are at shooting themselves in the foot.

That's why I personally believe Sanders and Mamdani have found so much success with the working class; they keep themselves separate from the Culture War slugfest that mainline Democrats either voluntarily engage in or let Republicans drag them into.

IMO the vast majority of those "culture war" issues (LGBT freedoms, etc) are incredibly important, but to the average poor rural American it feels incredibly distant from their day to day. I can't put my finger on it exactly but Democrats have a tendency to message on those issues in ways that are either counter-productive or get soundbit saying something moronic. So when Fox News and whatnot say that Democrats are prioritizing other groups over them and message on it day after day, it's not hard to see why that propaganda becomes effective.

That's not to say that Sanders/Mamdani/etc don't message on social issues, they obviously do, but they are somehow effective at not alienating voters who may otherwise latch onto that in a negative way.

I don't have a good solution. Just my observations.

[mlrtime]

" can't put my finger on it exactly but Democrats have a tendency to message on those issues in ways that are either counter-productive or get soundbit saying something moronic."

There are people that have explained this a lot better than I have, but here is my poor paraphrasing to answer your question.

Democrats are a bit less centrally controlled and you have a mix of Progressives/Greens etc.. that would prefer their own party but the closest thing they have is the DNC. Some of these ideas are not universally shared even in the Democratic party but they try to include them all.

Compare this with the GOP, there are also disagreements but until recently has a pretty unifiying message. This makes it easier to rally a base.

I could be off, and stating incorrectly but this is how I see it.

[conception]

It’s very difficult to be for the people and also get hundreds of millions of dollars from wealthy donors. That is the democratic party’s plight.

[weakfish]

I'm not sure I understand what part of my post this is in reference to. I agree that the democratic party gets a _lot_ of money. Are you contrasting to something in my post, or agreeing?

Appreciate clarification, I could also just be dumb today

[aleqs]

I think the point is that most of Democrats' supposed positions on the working class, climate, inequality etc. are purely performative. Their actual policies are 99% the same as Republicans and they essentially just as corrupt and beholden to the wealth class.

[weakfish]

Oh yeah. Yep that is definitely true.