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by aprilthird2021 15 days ago
It is ambiguous still at this stage though. There's no proof he used this info at his job or that he was directed to take it by anyone (he may have thought it helpful to his career in a way OpenAI never asked for or even invited).
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JumpCrisscross 15 days ago
> There's no proof he used this info at his job

LOL Liu hasn’t—to my knowledge—been fired. When OpenAI was notified of his conduct, they didn’t confidentially settle. Instead, OpenAI’s legal went cold on Apple.

It’s not legally certain. But you really have to stretch the facts to make this seem ambiguous.

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aprilthird2021 12 days ago
He should not be fired while trials are going on to determine if his conduct was criminal, against policies or not. That would open them up to wrongful termination if he prevails in court.

Why would they settle if they never directed employees to do any of these actions?

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freejazz 15 days ago
But he stole it, no? What's ambiguous about that?
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aprilthird2021 13 days ago
He is not OpenAI. I can steal trade secrets from my employer and get a job as a Ben and Jerry's Ice cream scooper, it doesn't mean Ben and Jerry's has stolen those secrets
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freejazz 13 days ago
He's getting sued too.

If Ben and Jerry's didn't disseminate your memo on how to steal trade secrets from your former employer to its new hires, I'd think you'd have a better point.

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aprilthird2021 12 days ago
> If Ben and Jerry's didn't disseminate your memo on how to steal trade secrets from your former employer to its new hires, I'd think you'd have a better point.

Did OpenAI do this? And is there proof of it?

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freejazz 12 days ago
Did you read the complaint? Maybe start there if you're going to be asking questions like this.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/28453229-apple-v-ope...

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aprilthird2021 3 hours ago
That's alleged by Apple and it again is alleged behavior of the employee not of OpenAI itself. Hilarious of you to say "read the complaint" when you don't yourself understand it!
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shimman 15 days ago
The court of public opinion is a thing, and the onus isn't on us to not trust a rich tech bro to not be an unethical person. That's on them to fix their image + avoiding jail time.

The rest of us are allowed to rightfully laugh at them.

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