| > Ok so 99.99995% of all Mikrotik RouterOS devices do not end up in peoples labs. Mikrotik make all sorts of equipment, including home routers. The hAP ax3 is shown on their homepage. It runs Router OS 7. > Asking RouterOS to be more like DLink or whatever it is you are more comfortable with is insane It's not insane to ask for sane defaults or UIs which hide progressive complexity. Ubiquiti manage it far better. Teltonika manage it far better. Networking is a hugely complex and deep field. Mikrotik make equipment targeting small businesses. There's no way your average IT person understands the tradeoffs of every configuration the device can have - which is why a sensible UI which guides you into the complexity would be good. Perhaps Mikrotik don't have the resources to do that - fair enough, that's a business decision. But it's not insane to desire a UI which encapsulates domain knowledge in a way which guides the user. That's just good UI. The problem with UIs like Mikrotiks, which are effectively just a graphical overlay on a config file, is that they make it very easy to make a mistake. And even seasoned IT people make mistakes. And in this case, a mistake often means a security vulnerability. |
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>Even the devices that are homeish in capability are mostly deployed into apartment buildings as NTD's and managed via API/Ansible not by the occupant.
>The cheaper routerboards, like the 2000 series, are almost entirely eaten by Wisps.
I can see that you might get confused by the form factor, but I guarantee you can find these running entire branches of a wisp network.
>It's not insane to ask for sane defaults or UIs which hide progressive complexity. Ubiquiti manage it far better. Teltonika manage it far better.
Unifi is explicitly targeting prosumers. When they do snap out of that and target the ISP space you get things like their faulty dual UI POE switches (Make a change in the old UI? Welp thats going to wipe your comments from the new one!) or the poor slobs custom building rifle scopes for AF60 LR.
>Perhaps Mikrotik don't have the resources to do that - fair enough, that's a business decision. But it's not insane to desire a UI which encapsulates domain knowledge in a way which guides the user. That's just good UI.
The issue is that is the current situation. It does guide the user, the average one who will purchase their product. What they don't have is a big warning for people stumbling in from elsewhere.
>The problem with UIs like Mikrotiks, which are effectively just a graphical overlay on a config file, is that they make it very easy to make a mistake.
Yeah this is an issue tik has had for a long time. What they need to do is ape junos's commit feature set. But what they have is safe mode which reloads your old config on disconnect.
but.... that would piss off the prosumer crowd even further.