[hedora]

DeepSeek didn’t really change any trends though, unless you count the stock market.

It was impressive work, but models were commoditizing and inference costs were dropping rapidly already. They were neither the first nor the last 10x optimization, from what I’ve seen.

[stavros]

If you know of any other 10x optimisations currently, please let me know! I'm in the market for a model that's a tenth the price of a frontier model at the same level of quality.

[ac29]

You do understand that the "frontier" people are usually talking about is the cost-intelligence frontier right?

By definition there is no model that is both cheaper and as intelligent or better than another on the frontier.

[stavros]

OK, let me be more precise: If you know of a frontier model that's ten times cheaper than the previous frontier model at that level of intelligence, please let me know, I'm in the market for one.

Is that better?

[ac29]

Its just a single benchmark, but Luna 5.6 xhigh scores within the margin of error the same as Opus 4.8 max on DeepSWE for 8x cheaper. Luna max is quite a bit higher than Opus and still 4x cheaper

[stavros]

Oh really? That's great to know, thanks! I didn't realise Luna was that good.

[bogdan]

To be fair the stock market is a big one