[oblio]

What about Musk gutting government agencies (including the SEC) through DOGE?

Or Musk pushing NASDAQ & co to fast track SpaceX into their indexes, to force institutional investors to buy SpaceX?

Or about Musk & others weakening analyst protection through the current US administration cutting legal failsafes so that now basically every analyst on the market never releases negative share projections?

At which point do we accept that these billionaires push these systems until they crack, "legally", because they buy the people making the laws.

[infecto]

I did not realize that is what we were discussing. Just because I don't like someone (I don't like musk) does not mean I will immediately jump to the harshest classification. I could never get behind the valuations, I don't generally like how he behaves but I also recognize that he historically has done a great job at financial engineering and serving as a hypeman, both can be true at the same time for me.

[oblio]

> I will immediately jump to the harshest classification.

The first points are just facts. Not "harshest classifications".

[infecto]

Sorry if I did not make it clear enough. The original discussion was around SpaceX being a scam. That is what I was referring to. I have no disagreement on other points. As I continue to say both can be true.