[omgmajk]

Music piracy is alive and well if you know where to look. Some places has been mentioned in this thread already. Of course there is no replacing the magic of early 2000-2010's p2p sites like OiNK, What and Waffles - but well curated sites still exist.

[ValdikSS]

Public p2p sharing is pretty much dead in the West.

Only Russian Rutracker is still going strong, but everything other is either stagnating or defunct.

I have a p2p sharing websites bookmarks which I collected about 5 years ago, 60% of them are dead now.

Private (invite-only) West sharing websites are still alive though, but are supported mostly by beefy enthusiasts who seed everything via a seedbox elsewhere, not in their home country on their residential connection.

Rutracker went the other way: they organized donation collection to buy the HDDs to the 'saviours' group, a one-time investment compared to the datacenter server cost. In RU/UA, people usually seed from home.

[grishka]

Fun fact: Rutracker is one of the few remaining places on the internet where random Russians and Ukrainians talk respectfully to each other, and do so in Russian.

[greenavocado]

Indeed, Russia and Ukraine are the last major digital libraries of the history and culture of modern western civilization, which is deeply disturbing to write out in text, and says a lot about how far the west has fallen

[pessimizer]

> Only Russian Rutracker is still going strong, but everything other is either stagnating or defunct.

But rutracker is still going very strong, and shows up in every magnet link scraper.

> Private (invite-only) West sharing websites are still alive though, but are supported mostly by beefy enthusiasts who seed everything via a seedbox elsewhere, not in their home country on their residential connection.

I don't think this is true at all. I think most are seeded through simple residential connections. The main reasons people use seedboxes are because everybody has a laptop that travels with them and isn't powered up and networked all the time (rather than a desktop that is never turned off), or because they don't want to hear from their ISP. It's not because of "beefiness." The amount of data it takes to store or transfer an album is trivial.

I just think that a lot of people with very mainstream tastes drifted away from p2p as they realized that spotify etc. satisfied all their needs. The people left on private p2p are largely the people who trading things that aren't available on streaming, or who just don't like the streaming experience at all.

[inigyou]

I think the enthusiast is beefy, not the computer. It's not P2P anymore, it's client/server with an enthusiast server and a casual user client.

[omgmajk]

I haven't used a public site since Suprnova so I don't know about the health of public p2p sites at all. The private side is absolutely not stagnant, new sites pop up all the time and you can still find all the niche stuff you want to find by just nudging the enthusiasts with requests.

A lot of them seed from home, with humongous servers, and there are preservation programs going on in various places.

[ValdikSS]

Yes, that's true, but the core reason there are private p2p sites is because you're most likely to get a DMCA violation letter from the watchdog company via your ISP or to you directly in the West.

Even if it may be not a punishable offense, that still freaks out people, and they choose not to seed from home or use public websites which are scraped by DMCA watchdogs.

I don't see much point in contributing to closed silos (even if I'm present on the majority of invite-only music trackers and occasionally contribute there) because I have ThePirateBay and RuTracker account: it's the same, but it's open for everyone and google-able.

Some private trackers disallow accessing them via VPN, which I find super strange. They want to access the website with your residential connection, but they allow seeding via VPN (which many do, because see above).

Other private tracker which I used to be on had a timeout on account life time. If you don't log in once in a while (6 months AFAIR), your account will be suspended, even if you're seeding all the content in the torrent client all this time.

[ryandrake]

I think for normal people, private trackers seem inaccessible and might as well not exist. When I was a kid, I had gobs of free time and spent most of it dialing into BBS systems, learning who to contact, and navigating the scene's trust network, just to get invites to warez sites. Now that I'm an adult, I'm a lame Casual, too busy living my life to have time to sit there figuring out the secret handshake needed to get an invite to Private Tracker X.

[bugufu8f83]

They are certainly much less accessible than they used to be. Not only has torrenting lost a lot of mindshare and general cultural awareness from 15-20 years ago, but the sites are generally harder to get into. If you're starting from scratch, it takes several years of waiting and uploading hundreds of torrents in order to get access to the best TV and film trackers. People are stingier than ever with inviting others too.

[marysol5]

"Normal" non-techy people don't understand torrenting either, and it's not like it's a new technology. Never mind jumping through hoops to get onto private trackers, port forwarding to ensure seeding, etc

[fsflover]

> because you're most likely to get a DMCA violation letter

This is why I don't understand why I2P trackers that provide full anonymity do not get more attention.

[marysol5]

That would require you to jump onto an entirely new internet, and thats outside the remit of most people.

[fsflover]

IMHO it's not much harder than joining a closed tracker. Install a client and enter 127.0.0.1 in your browser as proxy. And, arguably, it's more beneficial.

[twelvechairs]

Soulseek is still going strong last time i checked

[ValdikSS]

Well they shadowban the accounts which share copyrighted content for which they receive copyright claims.

It's a centralized service, they just configure you account to be invisible in the search results of others.

And they don't check whether the file is really reachable. I've 'chmod 000' copyrighted files so they could not be downloaded (but still could be found in search), and Soulseek administrators were not happy with that ether.

I've been shadowbanned 4 times or so. They never unban, need new account.

[inigyou]

But it's free to make a new account. They know where their bread is buttered. Public file-sharing services have to make these fig-leaves about caring about copyright.

[no_time]

Not doubting you but there are people with a quarter of a petabyte shared on slsk. I have a modest share of ~200GB, a good chunk of that from trigger happy record labels and never got banned. My client serves and average of 50-100 downloads a day no problem. So idk whats going wrong on your end.

[ValdikSS]

The first time I was banned for Village People, then for The Weeknd. Haven't asked the reasons after that.

I guess that's why Soulseek could be present on the sites like Google Play and in general is seen as a "music library" unlike basically all other p2p music file sharing/piracy resources.

[weezing]

creating new account is like 3 seconds, you don't even need to register in any way, you just create random username and password you never need again

[inigyou]

Isn't this largely because bandwidths got fast enough to not need P2P for music any more? You can use SLSK which is DirectConnect-style, or direct downloads, or Spotify/YouTube downloaders.

[konart]

Anime (an everything related) torrent sites are also pretty alive.

[ValdikSS]

Oh no, these don't feel very well either, in a sense that there's only a few seeders of the older uploads, if at all, and by older I mean as old as just a few years old.

I'm running my torrent preservation service, and many anime/jrock/jpop downloads start downloading only after weeks or months of waiting for a seeder.

Groups and individuals who used to be active on the scene has switched elsewhere and retracted their archives and XDCC bots.

There are Chinese torrent-to-web download services which seem to cache already downloaded stuff for a very long time if not indefinitely, sometimes you can download it from there if someone managed to use the service (they don't seed it over bittorrent though).

[inigyou]

There are also western ones. The keyword to look for is "debrid"

[konart]

Oh, year, in this sense - p2p is almost dead compare to times when I was frequentin animesuki forums or stoptazmo

[konart]

>ValdikSS

Oh god, well met by the way. Took me a while to realise who I'm taling to without a familiar userpic.

[bean469]

> Public p2p sharing is pretty much dead in the West.

Orpheus and RED are going extremely strong right now, with very active userbases

[ValdikSS]

That's private p2p, not public.

[bean469]

Ah, my mistake!

[muppetman]

Indeed. I'm a member of a few music trackers and they have a lot of great stuff, but What's archive was amazing. One of my proudest things I own is a What.cd beer cooler I bought from them.

[omgmajk]

Never bought any merch from what, but I do own a ScT t-shirt :)

[marysol5]

Here's the other side of the issue for these platforms, they're profiteering from the criminality of the users

[illliillll]

In a legal sense? Absolutely.

In a real sense? What.CD and it’s likes didn’t even come close to being a profitable use of their operators time.

[whatcd]

i only have what.cd stickers.

i wish i wouldve bought more!

i wish i had a legit music torrent site nowadays too

[soco]

Oh but also the good old IRC channels on Undernet or whatever? Not quite warez to get you banned, just gray area with no official support but allowed to stay. Community chat, music recommendations, admin bots and random trivia - #mp3_...

[marysol5]

Still lots of XDCC around, of course vast majority of it is stored on hacked servers....

[anal_reactor]

I really struggle to find new music. I feel like I've already listened way too many times to everything I have on my SD card, but I really don't know what to look for. When I was a kid I was very much into rock and everything adjacent so I do have albums of most iconic rock bands. Nowadays I'm more into electronic music. I love a good techno track and I have a folder with 2000-2010 greatest pop-techno bangers. God damn Basshunter gave me more happiness than my entire career combined. At home I often listen to more ambient music, mostly from SomaFM. There's an artist/band called Hello Meteor and the worst album is still 9/10. On the opposite side of the spectrum there's this guy Darren Tate - most of his music is literal trash, but there are a few golden nuggets with how he operates with dynamic range. Like, Prayer For God is absolutely amazing, it's so energetic. But it's really difficult for me to find electronic music that doesn't suck, most DJs make one good track by pure luck while mass-producing slop.

[ValdikSS]

    - https://dieordiy2.blogspot.com/
    - https://dustedmagazine.tumblr.com/
    - Last.FM Recommendations based on your bands
    - Mixtapes and radio mixes, there are countless

[omgmajk]

Go check out ektoplazm.com, electronic music with permissable licenses. Good for the culture of this website. Most things can be downloaded in flac.

Then when you have found a style, soundcloud is likely your home to find stuff and then when you have found it you can either rip it or buy it.

[acomjean]

I find college radio to be a good curator of music. MIT radio is a mix of students and long time music lovers who DJ.

They archive shows for a couple weeks (though it’s automatic so the shown typically starts a couple minutes in). Some shows actually list the songs they play at trackblaster.

Radio Ninja I like for electronic music. They put shows up on mixcloud as well.

https://www.wmbr.org/cgi-bin/show?id=6883

[Multicomp]

rainwave.cc has a chiptune mode, that's not electronic necessarily, but its an internet streaming radio that I've used to learn lots of new soundtracks I wouldn't otherwise encounter.

[gosub100]

radio.garden has been great for me.

[ThatMedicIsASpy]

It is also simple to download from the streaming services so to me things got as simple as pasting a link in the terminal to rip to no internet places like a car