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> Help me understand this attitude, because I've mostly seen women wearing these types of products, and they stand to gain a lot in terms of security from wearing them.

How? This is just going to give a bunch of creepy men an easier way to film me. I'm dreading these getting mainstream adoption.

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I'll give a personal example. At a coffee shop I go to, someone repeatedly threatened to kill me. The owners would call the police, and they'd take a report, but without direct evidence the police claimed to have no power other than to trespass this individual. Which they did. Since that first time, he's threatened to kidnap, torture, and then murder me on several occasions. For my own safety, it would have been nice to have a video/audio of these events. As you might imagine, pulling out my phone and filming it seems like a dangerous option.

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I'm sorry, there is a guy in a coffee shop that routinely threatens you, and it's still is your go to place?

Damn, just how good is that coffee?

(if that's real, and pulling phone out really is dangerous, can't you just ask the employee to film next time it happens for 10 bucks?)

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The coffee isn't why I go there, it's where my friends meet up, and I go to the gym next door. He's also threatened employees, one quit. I'm not sure why you're making jokes, but since you are it seems like I should double down and insist that I have the right to film such encounters.. especially when my account of these events isn't taken seriously.

[lesostep]

I'm half joking because the situation is quite bizarre and I never encountered anything like that.

Where I live usually it takes a few eyewitnesses testifying for a police to take someone into custody for a few hours and give them a talk (like general "don't do it again or next time we will detain you for a 15 days" talk). And after a few talks, they would generally really just detain someone (it's different from a criminal record)

Not to mention the owner could just ban a person thatch bad for business. Or just install a camera, since police demands a proof.

From your retelling it seems like not only owner doesn't give a damn about it being bad for business, it's actually isn't even bad for business! You still go there, your friends still go there (do they know that you fear for your life filming the evidence of abuse for police to take action? Surely a friend would help you film this. Or at least be sympathetic enough not to go to a place where you fear for your life?).

I'm not saying anything about your testimony, but from your words alone it really seems like you life on a different plane of reality from everyone around you.

To hear you tell it, you can genuinely be killed or assaulted but everyone (including your friends??) is okay with that. And – most confusingly – you yourself is also okay with that?

I can't just wrap my head around that. If I feared for my life and health, I would just not go there, and fuck my friends for suggesting to risk it. Are you suicidal? Is that a missing piece of puzzle? Because even when I try to believe you, those pieces do not fit together.

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> I'm half joking because the situation is quite bizarre and I never encountered anything like that.

half joking is still joking, and this is not a "quite bizarre" situation, in fact it's rather common for people to make threats. It's "quite bizarre" to me that you don't realize this.

> Not to mention the owner could just ban a person thatch bad for business. Or just install a camera, since police demands a proof.

I think I mentioned, the owners did in fact trespass this person. Aside from that, the cameras don't have audio.

I think I need to end this conversation, because it's going off track into my personal life more than I'd like, and I don't think your investigative (or joking) tone is appropriate. My example stands, from my perspective, as a valid reason to want this technology.