[maxdo]

Biden? the war started in 2014, with inclusion of not so secretive anymore of regular russian military. continued in 2015, etc. How is that Biden at all?

The only person who fuel this war is Putin. I used to be a russian citizen, I speak russian, i know the society, etc. This war is extremely unpopular in russia, but the only reason why it is still ongoing is one man.

[pydry]

It started with a group of terrorist snipers in the Hotel Ukraina who fired randomly into a crowd of civilians. None of them were ever prosecuted. The attempt to pin it on the Berkut failed miserably.

One of them was identified by a Ukrainian war hero as Andriy Parubiy, far right nut and future speaker of the rada. Several of them identified themselves as Georgian mercenaries who were hired by Andriy Parubiy.

The goal of the terror attack was clearly to overthrow a democratically elected president that was overwhelmingly popular in Crimea and the donbass and install a puppet who could be relied upon to do the bidding of the west.

This was successful, and is what kicked off the civil war.

Victoria Nuland's phone call where she "picked" the puppet on behalf of the US state department was leaked. You can listen to it.

[maxdo]

Sources, sick imagination.

That corruptionist was not "overwhelmingly popular". It was of the political party that is popular, not more not less.

It was all orchestrated by Russia. You can find tons of videos of russian hero's of that time, and they openly confirm now, that regular military was in Crimea, Donetsk , etc, since 2014. This is not some "leaked" phone. It's many interviews openly sitting on youtube and confirming with smiles their actions.

[pydry]

>Sources, sick imagination.

All of that evidence can be verified with a quick google.

>That corruptionist was not "overwhelmingly popular".

In Crimea and the Donbass he undeniably was. Election figures confirm this. Again, a quick google would confirm this.

>It was all orchestrated by Russia.

The source for this definitely IS imagination.

>You can find tons of videos of russian hero's of that time, and they openly confirm now, that regular military was in Crimea, Donetsk , etc,

Of course. Just as many "patriotic western" soldiers ended up fighting for Ukraine, many "patriotic Russians" ended up fighting in the donbass.

[JackSlateur]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1U3HDNQ24o

He says that nato provoked the war and make sure no peace was found

Is that conflict a proxy war ? That would be the first time the US did that .. :)

[maxdo]

Do you even believe in this nonsense ?

Putin self confirmed and bragging about "new territory". It's a classical Imperialistic war, old fart decided to restore their USSR greatness, and now they act. They did it in Chechnya, Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine. Sure, it's all NATO.

And yes, it did start like a proxy war by russia, to avoid severe sanctions. They funded and send troops to such called Donetsk republic etc.

It was such a great proxy war from the west that up until certain tine of the conflict they didn't dare to send even medical equipment, not to talk about any other weapons, to do not provoke russia.