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by ninjagoo 13 days ago
They claim to have deleted or will be deleting all the data they exfiltrated.

There are independent agencies that will certify destruction of data. For example FTI Tech, Kroll, Epiq, HaystackID and others.

No such certificates have been presented.

Nothing less is trustworthy.
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teravor 13 days ago
a certificate that data was destroyed is absolutely worthless no matter who it comes from.

what kind of sorcery do they have to let them determine that no backups were taken before they arrived to "certify"?

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brokencode 13 days ago
How much can you really certify that data is destroyed?

Customer data could live on the computer Elon pretends to play Diablo 4 on for all we know.

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m4rtink 13 days ago
How is this case any different from how cloud hosted AI agents work ? The agent needs all of those files to complete the task you give it & is not running locally.

So I don't think it can ever work without exhilarating the data - rather I am still surprised people don't understand the implications.

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mlindner 13 days ago
There is no such thing as a certification that data was deleted. If someone presented such a thing I would assume they're trying to cover something up.
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ninjagoo 12 days ago
> There is no such thing as a certification that data was deleted. If someone presented such a thing I would assume they're trying to cover something up.

I have news for you. There are standards around data destruction [1]. Courts also order data deletion, to be carried out by forensic experts [2], who trace data in computer systems, and delete what is required, and certify accordingly. This can be done even in cloud-scale compute [3][4][5] - corporate systems especially have routine extensive logging and traceability that allows for this to be accomplished. The companies that I listed earlier specialize in this compliance capability.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_erasure#Standards

[2] https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCOURTS-ohnd-5_17-cv-02...

[3] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/paravision_comp...

[4] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/Amazon-Proposed...

[5] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/ftc_gov/pdf/Edmodo-Dkt15%28...

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