[scottyah]

At the end of the day, there's the people who can make a vastly superior product time and time again, and they all like to work with other people who can do the same. They like to be pushed, they love solving hard problems, hate bureaucracy, and will find leaders that can accommodate all that. Elon provides that the same as Steve did.

[ben_w]

> people who can make a vastly superior product time and time again, and they all like to work with other people who can do the same

These parts are likely pushing the best minds away from Musk these days. Not sure when that turned, perhaps Cybertruck?

[epistasis]

I agree, though honestly it starts with any of Musk's product presentation events, which, frankly are all absolutely terrible compared to what Jobs would put on.

Musk is good at getting money, he is not good at product design. Jobs had amazing taste, Musk has terrible taste. If Musk has a talent beyond raising money, it can be in making bold management moves, at least that's what I hear from CEOs that admire Musk. But I think in the past five years all the bold choices have not been so fantastic.

Cybertruck was when people started to see that the emperor had no clothes, i think.

[inemesitaffia]

But he didn't design that anyway.

[ben_w]

> he

Neither did Musk. Not fully at least.

But while both are famous for their reality distortion bubbles, Jobs made sure the iPhone and before it the iPod and before it the iMac were products worth wanting, as well as getting investment. Musk got the investment, boasted of a million deposits, ended up with about 4-5% of that as sales despite many of those being bought by his own companies.

[inemesitaffia]

Musk didn't design the Cybertruck at all.

The only design I remember him involved in are the charger handles and Gullwing doors.

Jobs had his product failures and limited successes.