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Speculation is a spectrum, and there's a probability attached. Consider these companies make it a rule to shit on IP as a concept.

If anyone, anywhere, would be doing this, it would be Anthropic and OpenAI. That doesn't mean they are, but that, to me, certainly pushes it past simple speculation.

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I totally get the speculative aspect. However, the entire premise of them making money off software engineering is predicated on a truthfulness of whether they use that data or not. Otherwise the Chinese models (which make no promises and do log) become more viable…

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I don't necessarily think it is, because of regulatory capture. We're seeing Anthropic and OpenAI try to squeeze the chinese in the courtroom more and more, and I think it's to your point: they're all doing the same things, so now they need to employ extra-business tactics to get their marketshare. I think they're hoping that Chinese models become unviable because they're literally illegal, which I don't think is very far off from happening soon. Which is bad all around, but everyone is playing dirty right now.