[Auracle]

For night owls and teenagers, who already have a hard time in society, Daylight Saving Time makes things far worse. It’s been tried and failed, already, primarily due to school/kids issues. The sun will rise really, really late in the dead of winter in some places. Sleep experts are all pretty much in agreement that permanent Standard Time is better.

I’d be all for permanent Standard Time but there’s no way that’ll happen with the old people in charge of our government. Most of them probably wake up at 4am already.

[rconti]

As a night owl who sleeps late, I'm stoked to not waste morning daylight while I'm sleeping, and have more time in the evening to go out and do shit before it gets dark.

[throw0101d]

        I don't really care how time is reckoned so long as there is some
        agreement about it, but I object to being told that I am saving
        daylight when my reason tells me that I am doing nothing of the kind.
        I even object to the implication that I am wasting something
        valuable if I stay in bed after the sun has risen.  As an admirer
        of moonlight I resent the bossy insistence of those who want to
        reduce my time for enjoying it.  At the back of the Daylight Saving
        scheme I detect the bony, blue-fingered hand of Puritanism, eager
        to push people into bed earlier, and get them up earlier, to make
        them healthy, wealthy and wise in spite of themselves.
        
         -- Robertson Davies, The diary of Samuel Marchbanks,
                Clarke, Irwin (1947), XIX, Sunday

* https://github.com/eggert/tz/blob/main/northamerica#L75

[nozzlegear]

> Sleep experts are all pretty much in agreement that permanent Standard Time is better.

I wonder why we can't just push school back later in the winter? I guess that'd be a little disruptive to society (all the parents have to change their schedules depending on how it's implemented), but things are already disruptive with the time change, and summer vacation schedules, and so on.

Just spitballing, I'd prefer permanent Standard Time myself too.

[jjav]

> For night owls and teenagers, who already have a hard time in society, Daylight Saving Time makes things far worse.

As a lifelong night owl, I can say you have it backwards.

The time used in the summer is ideal, as the sun sets later. I despise the winter time when it is dark at 4pm. It might be light early at dawn but as a night owl I'm asleep then so it is a waste.