[lightedman]

"Every company you mentioned has made more progress in those spaces than anyone else"

Lies. Waymo beats Tesla in FSD. Optimus is nothing while China has full fucking martial arts robots. It's 2026 where's that 2025 manned Mars mission? Where's that 2025 AGI promise (currently running itself in circles.) His solar roof tile idea was a bunk plan and any regular roofer could've told you that.

China made a fucking electric car that can KITT jump. The only way Teslas get off the ground is when they hit curbs at batshit insane speeds.

Elon and his companies, outside of SpaceX, are generally frauds. Down to PayPal, which thinks it has a right to YOUR MONEY if you even so much as sneeze wrong (theft by contract.)

[lurker919]

I can't buy a Waymo right now. I can buy a Tesla though.

[keeda]

Yeah, but the topic of discussion is presumably FSD that actually works ;-)

And before people jump in to say "have you tried it, it works" yes I have a Tesla and FSD has tried to kill me multiple times already. Including jumping a damn red light after slowing down to a stop so I was absolutely unprepared to react.

Credit where it's due, it's a pretty nice car and even the self-driving technology is decent, despite being hobbled by Elon's nonsensical allergy to LIDAR or other sensors. But it is being marketed as "FSD" and it is very much not FSD, and I can't believe more is not being done to prevent the needless deaths that are inevitable because of this.

[DustinBrett]

Waymo does not beat FSD. What is your logic for that?

[lightedman]

I've ridden in Waymos. I've ridden in Teslas. Waymos do WAY BETTER. I work in LA so I have quite a lot of experience with them.