[wing-_-nuts]

It is absolutely not the DE/WM devs driving this, it's the wayland folks saying that xorg would no longer be maintained. They literally just dumped an Ikea box of protocols on the table without even bothering to provide a decent sample implementation and said 'good luck!'

[preg_match]

1. There is/was a sample implementation.

2. There are currently many high-quality implementations, Kwin being the best IMO.

3. X11 devs didn't want to maintain it, nobody "made them" stop. You or I could maintain it, but I also don't want to, so, here we are.

4. Yeah the wayland transition was rough but I think there's basically no universe where that transition would be perfect. They're architecturally different things. The Apple Intel to M series transition wasn't perfect either and there were A LOT of bugs. These things just happen.

[wing-_-nuts]

1. Their sample implementation was bad, I think it was just a demo app for car displays or some such. They should have ported over a simple wm.

2. Yeah, the major projects like gnome and kde had enough developers to dedicate to porting over to wayland. Most existing DEs and WMs found the porting process to be very difficult and didn't even bother. This would have been solved had they released an implementation with feature parity. See #1.

3/4. I don't care. I consider xorg to be 'feature complete'. There are few benefits to the end user switching to wayland beyond some niche use cases like multi-display scaling, and HDR. The small benefit of those is nowhere near worth the headache they forced on users when the major DEs started going wayland only.

Overall, I am happy sticking with xfce since it's taking the slow road on moving from xorg to wayland.

[burtness]

the Wayland folks are the X11 folks though

[qu4z-2]

Yeah but the display server people are different from the WM/DE people. And the former kinda just said "coding is hard" and made it all the responsibility of the WM/DE people.