[nsxwolf]

I think a lot of people here just don't have kids of a relevant age yet. They assume either the bullying doesn't happen, or it isn't any different than bullying in person, or that it's easy to stop when it happens.

You can just not have phones, but it's socially isolating. You have to frequently audit what's on their phones because they often won't volunteer what's happening. You take them out of one group chat only to have the bullies reappear in another one.

Old fashioned bullying kept regular business hours. This gives them a portal into your home life 24/7, and that's the best case, when you put a ton of effort into managing it.

And if you're not having this problem somehow, you might want to double check and make sure your kid isn't the bully.

[fn-mote]

> You can just not have phones, but it's socially isolating.

I hear this plenty, but kids are literally forced to go be with their peers (hopefully including some friends) for 6+ hours a day (in my country). Don't they have enough time to arrange their social lives in person?

It’s not as bad as phone apologists say.

[j45]

Agreed, students in schools seem to be regularly reporting an improved environment as unmanaged phone use went away.

[Lerc]

Well I guess it is true that I don't have children of that age. My daughter is on the board of a charity that deals with youth issues though.

[what]

So neither you, nor your daughter, have any experience with the issue?

[Lerc]

I seem to recall both of us being children once, although admittedly not at the same time. The research my daughter does as part of her charity work probably counts as well.

[j45]

Learning about something doesn't invalidate it entirely on that basis alone, just like the experience of one parent doesn't speak for all parents, or those concerned about the impacts of phones on kids (who are future adults).

[j45]

I certainly wouldn’t speak about kids and bullying without knowing about both.

What works needs to be found.