[bigfishrunning]

but you don't see "load bearing" nearly as often in prose written by people, so it's not some irreplaceable phrase. It's just a token with a weirdly high likelihood in a lot of cases (given how Claude works, this kind of thing is bound to happen)

[Myrmornis]

You don't think it's possible that an LLM's internal machinery could decide that an underused-by-humans word should be used more frequently in output than it sees in input because it maps cleanly onto a frequently needed semantic? I think that's possible

[bunderbunder]

It sounds like you are trying to understand LLM behavior using a mental model that inaccurately personifies the stochastic parrot.

A more parsimonious explanation is that this term got more-or-less randomly boosted by the reinforcement learning loop because there was nothing in the training data to discourage its use.

[Myrmornis]

> the stochastic parrot.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49010345

[Myrmornis]

Ah right, you don't like AI and don't care to understand how it works.

[bunderbunder]

I’ve been working in AI - and specifically NLP - since 2003. I am no stranger to how weird quirks can sneak into overparametrized models, nor am I a stranger to how good humans can be at inferring meaning where there is none in specific language model behaviors. So, yeah, I am inclined to assume non-teleological causes are more parsimonious than inferring the presence of a strange loop, because that continues to be the winning bet. Even for generative LLMs.

[bigfishrunning]

Ah right, so you like AI and don't care to understand how it works.

It doesn't "decide" anything or "need" any semantic. It derives the likelihood of the token, and "bearing" is likely to come after "load".

[Myrmornis]

Sure but the question is why "load" after X?

[bigfishrunning]

Because, for some high number of contexts, its likelihood comes out high in the big tree of multiplies that is claude's model. For some sets of 500 words (or whatever), the next word is "load". The classifier that decides which sets of 500 (or whatever) words is a prefix for "load" is returning "true" too often.

[bunderbunder]

More-or-less the same principle, but scaled up massively, and with context-dependent probability conditioning maps.

[bunderbunder]

And like any good corporate buzzword, it’s merely a simulacrum of precise technical jargon. The way Claude uses it is clearly wildly polysemous if not outright ambiguous.

[EMM_386]

> but you don't see "load bearing" nearly as often in prose written by people

Unfortunately, we're starting to now.

Thanks to Claude.

[mattmcknight]

What do you replace it with? "necessary dependency"?

[bigfishrunning]

Required, important, irreplaceable, necessary, integral.

There are lots of ways to express an idea besides this one trendy construction metaphor

[mattmcknight]

It is really trendy? I don't think important, irreplaceable or integral are semantically equivalent. Required and necessary almost get there.

The point is that if you want to remove it or change it, you need to put something else in place that handles the work it is doing. So it is more that it is serving a required/necessary function, without being any of those other things in and of itself. It's more about "be careful when changing this."