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by lokar 15 days ago
This is the part that upsets me. They really could help solve crimes without sacrificing privacy.
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How? Whatever the system is now is clearly not preserving privacy
Closed loop systems that require explicit consent to share outside the organization. Flock is like 50x worse than NSA stuff like PRISM that everyone freaked out about.

The Feds have full access to search everything, are no doubt exempt from any transparency on the platform, and ICE is already using it to abuse and intimidate political enemies.

It’s a nationwide surveillance system posing as a local police tool.

They're pretty comparable in that the people most het up about them tend not to know what either actually was. The feds do not have full access to search everything on Flock's platform except through the same mechanism by which they'd have access to search literally anything (a court order).
Fair. I’d argue that lack of friction is meaningful.

Also, the Feds are creative in their application of the law. Things like HIDTA designated areas led to Flock-predecessors - scaled infrastructure deployed decades ago. One of the “drug corridors” is the I-95 corridor from Miami to Maine.

Have an independent non-profit with strong oversight manage the data. Grant access with a warrant.

The police should show that a crime has likely been committed, and get access to just the data that probably has evidence.

You still have people with very tempting access to a whole lot of data. I don't see how this is different from the current situation other than it's just different (corruptible) people with access.
I think motivations matter. Putting a for-profit company hired by the police, and the police in charge is just the worst.

There are many other contexts where we trust properly supervised people who lack an immediate and obvious incentive to abuse the system. Combined with good overall software design, auditing and transparency almost all of the harms could be mitigated. And the tech does have some pretty major benefits.

Every piece of technology deployed by the police is provided by a for-profit company.
I’m against flock the company. I’m in favor of a narrower form of plate recorders.
How do you do a warrant for a device that alerts when a car on a hotlist transits an intersection?
Record the plates. Don’t alert, search. And just for a specific crime.
The whole pitch for the cameras is alerting! The point is to interdict the cars right after they pass the camera.
That may be what police like, but in my town it’s sold to residents on solving crimes.