[flkiwi]

After Logseq moved to an app focus and abandoned the "edit anywhere" convenience of being browser-based, I lost interest. I liked the original Logseq/Roam/Athens model, and I couldn't find anything similar elsewhere, so I just wrote my own. Markdown, git for versions, remote backup, themes (using the Tinted Themes repository of base16 themes), optionally encrypted notes. Lives in a browser, editable from anything with a browser and an Internet connection. Absolute note-taking heaven (for me). No more fooling with sync solutions or not being able to install an app on certain devices.

I'm sorry to have said goodbye to what used to be a great community project, but they've been following the classic enshittification model, albeit slowly, for a while now.

[ezst]

I needed the "edit anywhere" capability, too, had a keen interest in logseq as a result, and now can't recommend Trilium more.

https://triliumnotes.org/

[flkiwi]

For me, Trillium is far too busy, and it’s not an outliner. It’s great software though. (Believe me, I have tried the whole universe of these apps.)

[ezst]

> and it's not an outliner

We probably have that in common that I went through a pretty long and exhausting journey of looking for the right note-taking app/PKMS, but while I started with the conviction that I needed an outliner, I landed elsewhere.

I do appreciate the theoretical beauty of "everything is a block" (and for the record, that is approximated pretty closely in Trilium by "(almost) everything is a note"), but the execution is often messy (tags/models hierarchies are hard to build and keep consistent/up to date, there is always the duality between embedding and referring because sometimes a sub-block is a block, and that forces you into defining more types or risk losing context and not being able to find the note but by name, if you can even remember it, etc). Tana and its "supertags" comes pretty close to the perfect outliner because it has a convenient UX around all those pain points, but I find it exhausting to use over time/as the PKMS grows.

I think Trilium saves me from a lot of cognitive burden by keeping the shape of the notes collection explicit and visible at all times (via its hierarchy). Also for the record, I'm not trying to brainwash you, only describing that there is a journey into and out of outliners :-)

[wosk]

https://test.logseq.com is the new version in browser, I think they plan to keep it around

[flkiwi]

Aside from not wanting to take notes on a test subdomain, it's still local to the machine. I can fire up my notes from literally anywhere, any device and see a consistent state without having to sync anything.

[wosk]

I think due do this comment and other, they renamed it to app.logseq.com. But your point still hold, if you don't have sync (self-hosted or by paying), it is only local.