[logicprog]

Do you have any evidence for Valkey "widely replacing" Redis, instead of just rapidly gaining adoption as well? Additionally, it's important to clarify that the replacement was 100% over licensing issues — iirc predating the vibe coding entirely — not the use of AI to code, and that furthermore, no one has to my knowledge pointed to any flaws in the Redis codebase even correlated with AI use. So this is a disingenuous framing.

[inigyou]

100% of the employers I worked for since the time of Valkey had replaced Redis with Valkey.

[gen2brain]

100% of the employers I worked for (one employee) never did that switch. The license did not affect us; we had nothing to do with AWS and the like, so we just continued using Redis like before. We already had our RPM builds, so whatever course distros took, we did not even care to look.

[Tade0]

To be honest until today I thought Kafka was the popular go-to Redis replacement, as almost none of my employers used Redis for its original, intended purpose, namely being an in-memory key-value store. What they really wanted was RabbitMQ.

[inigyou]

Kafka does a completely different thing than Redis.

[Tade0]

Indeed. Doesn't change the fact that people have been using Redis where they could well have used Kafka.

Hell, I did that in a previous project.

[dominotw]

i am currently working on this exact migration at my company. aws also kind of pushes valkey so ppl seem to choose the default.

[antirez]

Sure, it costs less, and AWS is in a dominant position. Users here are playing the side of the bully since they don't care about what is right and wrong with the hyperscalers. "BSD is better than AGPL!" And give money to the wrong side of the history. Nor that I expected anything better, the single person has a given sensibility, the mass, as a whole, do whatever is in a given moment convenient or believed to be more pure (license wise). However thanks to that, you will see how little progresses we will have (and we are having) in the space of open source system software with very open licenses. Developers of software mostly are not happy to bring OSS to the success to see them used by hyperscalers to capture all the value. However I did it again, with DwarfStart, to release code under the BSD license: even in the current situation, I think it is better to give back than to have a personal gain, but this is a position that very little folks can afford to take.

However: this conversation is completely out of topic but people instead of talking about AI and code, which is a tabu, will move the conversation to personal attacks and shit like that.

[echelon]

I wish you'd chosen a "non free" fair source or open core license from the start.

Amazon has stolen enormous wealth from you and your collaborators.

People cheer for the hyperscalers even though AWS and GCP are not at all open source themselves, charge absurd margin, and do everything in their power to lock you in.

It's really unfortunate.

Thank you for Redis.

Hopefully AI gives them extra competition. There doesn't seem to be a moat for them yet apart from distribution. Hopefully that holds. The world needs competition and less concentration of power.

[inigyou]

In order to really leverage a nonfree (proprietary) or more-free (AGPL/SSPL) license you have to have a substantial thing to protect. If you try to protect something trivial, your competition will just implement it themselves, unless your price is low enough to make that not worth it. Redis is relatively trivial, it is a REmote DIctionary Service. Amazon could have written their own Redis quite easily.

They didn't, because the idea is sufficiently non-obvious, but ideas are protected by patents, not copyright.

Even RMS recommended using LGPL in some cases to maximize overall freedom by not making your competitors copy it. In the case of Redis, GPL probably would've maximised freedom (but not revenue) as Amazon still could've used it and released any changes they made.

Valkey has diverged from Redis, gaining features like vector search and multithreading.

[antirez]

Thanks, I believe that as a whole choosing the BSD created a more positive effect, so I'm happy with that. It is just that it is really unfair to read a comment where people use ValKey to accuse you of AI slop :D It means that our community, and this site itself, is at this point really low quality. This will in turn discourage the many great folks that are here. A replacement is needed. But TLDR, I would release Redis again with the BSD license if I could go back in time.