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by intothemild 19 days ago
> That is a very astute and concise way to explain everything about how the frontier labs are behaving and how they're trying to push more people to pay token rates for the best models.

Are they really the best models? Like take anthropic. Without mythos, it's the what? Third best?

Sure openAI just leapfrogged them but .. seriously to get there it's a giant model that costs insane per token.

Nobody needs that, it's like NVIDIA or Intel claiming they have the best gaming performance, but to achieve that they are using more power per frame than anything else.

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"Are they really the best models?"

Yes. I mean, most people agree they are. I've used all of the serious contenders (well not Grok 4.5, because Musk, and not Meta Spark because Zuck, but everything else I've used on at least a couple of projects to get a feel for them). My experience roughly matches the vibes. But, Fable is remarkable when it doesn't refuse to do the work (which it does, quite a lot, since my areas of interest are security and training specialist models).

Anyway, the vibes strongly indicate Fable is the best model, but not by an amount that is noticeable to most people. You could pick any of the top 10 models on this chart and do most of the tasks most people are doing with models:

https://artificialanalysis.ai/#intelligence

> Are they really the best models? Like take anthropic. Without mythos, it's the what? Third best?

Everybody is just judging all of this by vibes anyway. Every week, a new model comes out and there's 500 comments simping for it within the first hour of its release. Both OpenAI and Anthropic have been practically indistinguishable to me.