[jagged-chisel]

> ...two researchers who worked at Dynamicland, Bret Victor’s lab in Oakland.

> Everyone is building the same thing, funded by the same people, using the same words. Where are the independent thinkers?

> [JP] said a name: Folk Computer. In New York.

Who are ... building the same thing as Bret. So where are these independent thinkers?

[EGreg]

I’m right here

Been building about 20 interconnected pieces of a new software stack designed to help humanity.

Most VCs wouldn’t fund it.

Most investors wouldn’t understand it.

They prefer small apps. YC’s startups used to be called “feature, not a startup”.

Now with AI it has become easier — the work I and my small team that I’ve been paying for 10 years has been greatly accelerated.

But still. Most people on HN will just deride it. Few would look deeply. Here, I will share a link:

https://safebots.ai/ETHOS.html

[Krei-se]

I took the time to read through your software stack. While i understand the concept makes sense (i propose similar self hosted solutions and applaud the math proven security aspect) i want to show you why you lack people leaning more into it:

As the 7 parts already hint there's a limit to what people can comprehend in any amount of time so while its what you do and know and fills your millers number this is not the same for others.

Trying to get customers, any customers, will teach you the customer has obligations to fulfill and he's looking for a way to go from his A to his imagined B. Now you maybe can offer some B' that has parts of your solution, but that can only be 1 or 2 parts of your stack at maximum and bend his imagined B at a very tiny amount or he will not accept it.

Because the rest of his millers number (5 or whatever intellect he shows, maybe more) is already filled with family, his boss, bottom line finances and time. Also there's always pain when you change some thinking - even if your solution is better. Most people will look for a quick fix then move on to their next immediate problem.

So maybe with some luck after handing over 3 or 4 B' to them that all interconnect you can propose a greenfield solution like yours that's now just 2 steps away.

But going there is transition and not greenfield - the customer has a somewhat working system already and completely replacing this will not make him happy.

Maybe he has a working Active Directory? Or just an apple time capsule whatever? Gmail business? Can you transition from that for the same price and pain your competitors offer as an "immediate" solution?

[purple-leafy]

The summary?

[jagged-chisel]

Maybe you missed my subtle point. If you’re still implementing Bret’s vision, that doesn’t seem like independent thinking to me.

I do think the particular vision has merit. But I have yet to see it demonstrated on real-world work. Even Bret’s own demos were limited and lackluster. Show me how to use this to manage some typical administrative tasks. Or create a database. Or routing on a map.

[smj-edison]

Dynamicland hasn't published any of their code, while folk computer priorizes being open source. So yes, a lot of the ideas come from Dynamicland, but there's the important detail that you can actually use folk computer.