[nijave]

I've done a couple side by sides on web chat with the same prompt on Opus 4.6, 4.7, and 4.8 and the output gets longer/more verbose on version increment. The enerr variants are definitely much wordier.

On the other hand, the newer variants also tend to benchmark higher so it's not quite a clean argument of "hey the new version eats more tokens"

[cmiles74]

I think both things can be true: new models benchmark higher and eat more tokens.

[jbvlkt]

From my experience new models are slower and use more tokens even on questions which gpt 4 answered correctly. It is mostly because newer models tend to be more verbose (even with prompt requesting short answers).

[bcjdjsndon]

Unless somebody improved on the underlying transformer architecture... Surely AI is smart enough to do it by now

[blitzar]

I've done a couple side by sides on web chat with the same prompt on local 4b, 14b, 32b open models and the output gets longer/more verbose on version increment.

Its rather frustrating, slower tokens and more tokens.