[CyberDildonics]

I think those guys both hate C++ so much that they want to dismiss everything about it instead of using all the features that work for them like most people.

My interpretation is that games want to allocate large pools of resources, like GPU buffers, cpu memory, etc, and reuse that memory over and over. Ie: Reinitialize it.

They might say this, but there isn't a good technical rationalization here since anyone can create a global data structure just as easily in C++.

[andrepd]

Exactly! The most interesting arguments for Rust that I've ever read have come not from people who hate C++, but precisely from people who are really into C++, because those are the people who actually recognise its shortcomings are are better positioned to give INSIGHTFUL criticism into it.

People who are motivated by a superiority complex or by the wish to impress a herd of twitter followers hardly if ever produce a thought I want to read.

[dismalaf]

Hate C++? They both use(d) it...

[CyberDildonics]

I didn't say they don't know it.

[dismalaf]

As opposed to using C, Rust, or something else (Jon eventually made Jai but Casey still uses C++). Obviously they don't outright hate it.

[CyberDildonics]

They talk about hating it all the time and using some minimal subset because they have to, but the point here is not what these two internet personalities hate, it's that there isn't a technical rationale against being able to use destructors. They are hugely convenient but also completely easy to avoid if someone wants to.

[dismalaf]

Everyone uses a subset. Bjarne himself says he uses a subset.

[CyberDildonics]

I also use a subset but the point, which I already preemptively explained, is that they don't have a technical explanation for ignoring this part of it.

It just seems to be wholesale aggravation so they want to reject things without a sound reason.

If someone asked me why I avoid inheritance I would go on a well thought through rant that connects real problems to the pragmatic reality of what that feature brings.

[pjmlp]

See my history regarding my point of view on C or Go.

Yet if my job requires to use C or Go, I like my paychecks, have bills to pay and being proud doesn't pay bills.

Same thing with them, having to use C++ at work, doesn't mean they are big fans of it, indeed the very reason Jai exists is for Jonathan Blow never to use C++ again on his projects.