[andrepd]

> Casey Muratori and Jon Blow have pushed this concept frequently

Ah... The school of what I like to call "maximum opinions and minimal evidence". Aggressive arrogant dismissal of anything except their exact view (and for Muratori, you're also "woke" for good measure), coupled with a complete lack of _hard evidence_ to back up their views. In that regard, they're not unlike "investment advice" instagram influencers.

[indy]

"coupled with a complete lack of _hard evidence_ to back up their views"

Didn't Casey Muratori write a proof of concept windows terminal to highlight Microsoft's substandard implementation? And Jonathan Blow has spent the past decade+ developing his own programming language and funding the development of a game. Seems like they are backing their views.

[christophilus]

I can see why you would think that about Jon Blow, though I disagree. But Casey? He has a number of thorough videos with plenty of evidence, and has never struck me as arrogant.

[jstimpfle]

Apparently you're the school of dismissive person who can't even be bothered to look up their technical achievements.

[CyberDildonics]

Confusing achievements in one area for evidence in another is literally an appeal to authority fallacy.

[jstimpfle]

You must mean confusing achievements in the area of creating large maintainable and performant systems on the one hand, with achievements in the area of creating large maintainable and performant systems on the other hand?

And let me incude Ryan Fleury here who graduated from Casey-school with honors, he is maybe the most impressive programmer I know. His work on the raddebugger is outstanding.

[CyberDildonics]

You're still not anywhere close to the thread's topic. Hero worship isn't evidence.

C++’ish approach to memory management (RAII) - that’s not how systems programming or games (I’m told) tend to work

This is the statement that no one seems to be able to back up. Instead it's fans of some internet programmers saying that they must be right about everything because they shipped a game.

I actually like hearing what they have to say, but they aren't right about this and there is no evidence or explanation here from you, them or anyone else.

Instead you start talking about a third person making a debugger for some reason as if the solution to appealing to authority is more appealing to authority.

[jstimpfle]

> This is the statement that no one seems to be able to back up.

Actually there are many explanations of systemic issues arising from reliance on RAII. Both Jon and Casey are very good explaining the matters.

> Instead you start talking about a third person making a debugger for some reason as if the solution to appealing to authority is more appealing to authority.

A third person (already mentioned in a parent comment), who is creating an extremely snappy and powerful debugger using those exact approaches under discussion.

[CyberDildonics]

Actually there are many explanations

So lets hear them.

A third person (already mentioned in a parent comment), who is creating an extremely snappy and powerful debugger

Who cares? They have nothing to do with anything, why are you avoiding a technical discussion of facts to talk about your favorite influencers?

[kasumispencer2]

"Aggressive arrogant dismissal of anything except their exact view"

Man, if only someone around here had even if just an inch of self-awareness...