[ButlerianJihad]

Let us not forget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Ann_Quinlan

And also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahi_McMath_case

But it is disingenuous to invoke "rightwing government", when a Franciscan friar was sneaking into the hospital trying to feed a starving woman [Terri], who was so hated by her husband that he would take extreme measures to get rid of her.

I have found it quite elusive to get a DNR properly executed. I could do all the other Advance Directives from home, and I could get them notarized without issue. But in my state, a DNR must be printed on a special hue of orange paper, and shit, if that isn't the most difficult step...

Also there are probably at least 12 facilities where it'd need to be filed, because who knows where the EMTs would haul me off to, around here. There are so many health care systems, not to mention the BH ones, which are quasi-medical.

[fhdkweig]

> But it is disingenuous to invoke "rightwing government", when a Franciscan friar was sneaking into the hospital trying to feed a starving woman [Terri], who was so hated by her husband that he would take extreme measures to get rid of her.

I don't think he hated her, he just didn't want to be under the crushing medical debt to keep someone alive who wasn't really alive.

And absolutely there was Rightwing government involved. Here is an entire wiki article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_involvement_in_the_...

[ButlerianJihad]

> someone alive who wasn't really alive.

Wow what a completely horrible and deliberate misunderstanding of the facts. I hope that if you're ever in a state where all it takes to keep you alive is food and water, that people continue giving food and water to you, rather than seeking to starve you to death.

Because someone who eats and drinks is alive, usually by definition, and what her husband sought was to kill her off, because her "aliveness" wasn't "useful" to anyone, and in fact was an inconvenience to him and other people.

Nobody, at the time or since, said that Schiavo "wasn't really alive" but rather, some people wanted her dead, and they wanted that boundary of "ordinary life-sustaining care" to be moved so that it didn't include food and water, administered into her stomach.

[fhdkweig]

> Nobody, at the time or since, said that Schiavo "wasn't really alive" but rather, some people wanted her dead

I'm saying it. She was in "an irreversible permanent vegetative state". That is as close to dead as you can get. Even a coma is better. You can wake up from a coma, but this is an amount of brain damage where the part of the brain responsible for consciousness is dead and never coming back.