[gitgud]

This is one of the reasons why native proprietary coding agent runners like claude-code, codex, grok-build etc are so dangerous for privacy… you just don’t know what “secret sauce” they’ll add in the next update…

It’s much safer to use something like opencode and use models via their API… however, the tradeoff is that it will never perform as well as it does in their native agent runners…

[gruez]

Give enough usage, you can reconstruct an entire codebase via tool calls alone, and it'll be entirely undetectable because it's all done server side. Whatever grok's doing is just more blatant, but using opencode or whatever doesn't create a meaningful security boundary. It's like the meme of using cheetos as a lock.

[HarHarVeryFunny]

> however, the tradeoff is that it will never perform as well as it does in their native agent runners

There's no reason to assume that. The recent Databricks benchmark in fact showed the exact opposite - that using Pi vs native agent both outperformed native agents in terms of task success, and did so cheaper due to using less tokens.

[hansvm]

> the next update

That's a major problem in its own right. Yes, not updating an XP SP1 RCE immediately is dangerous, but in the last couple decades I've seen far more damage inflicted from automatic updates than what I think the lack of them would have caused.

[rohansood15]

I agree with you, but Codex is open source.

[msdz]

Is the server side open-source too, as gruez brought up in the sibling comment?

Technically they can still do potentially any- and everything undetected there; and for what it’s worth, even with a closed-source client bad behavior would get detected eventually through network inspection.

[maxloh]

Yeah. Not the Desktop App though.

[zuzululu]

its an electron app you an inspect it

[_davide_]

I'm using my own agent, but i can't risk blocking the company account with it.....

[jimmydoe]

last time I checked, codex is still open source w Apache-2.0 license