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by bonsai_spool 17 days ago
> Early CPR (+AED if available) absolutely saves lives. Article is from 2011 by a family med doctor.

You have to provide a denominator to make this statement. 30-day survival for out-of-hospital CPR is 10%, and discharge from the hospital (let alone functional status) is even lower.

CPR is thus a great example of the OP's thesis that doctors refuse certain things based on their poor efficacy.

https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/resources/articles/cpr...
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krisoft 17 days ago
> 30-day survival for out-of-hospital CPR is 10%

Okay. And what is the 30-day survival for cases where CPR would be otherwise indicated but are not performed?

It is a bit like complaining that jumping out of a burning airplane with a parachute is dangerous. Yes, it is. But jumping out of a parachute, or burning inside, is even more dangerous.

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bonsai_spool 16 days ago
> Okay. And what is the 30-day survival for cases where CPR would be otherwise indicated but are not performed?

Great question, but it's obviously not possible to answer.

I suspect the survival rate won't be 0, and maybe won't even be less than 10%.

The point of this whole subtree is that there are interventions that people wouldn't want for themselves because the expected outcome is very poor.

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kryogen1c 17 days ago
Did you read what you linked? It's not a study of the effects of cpr, it's a list of facts about cardiac arrest that occurs outside a hospital. It explicitly says cpr is life saving:

>Survival chances decrease by 10% for every minute that immediate CPR and use of an AED is delayed.

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bonsai_spool 16 days ago
> Did you read what you linked? It's not a study of the effects of cpr, it's a list of facts about cardiac arrest that occurs outside a hospital. It explicitly says cpr is life saving:

Oh my goodness, did YOU read anything on the page? Here's a literal quote with a link to a study you could have followed if you weren't just here for outrage points:

"For the past 20 years, the survival rate for cardiac arrest has hovered around 10 percent for out-of-hospital incidences and 21 percent for in-hospital events, yet research shows that high-quality CPR has a significant impact on survival outcomes, whether inside or outside the hospital."

link: https://mycares.net/sitepages/uploads/2026/2025_flipbook/ind...

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